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Buff SU-101 Russian TD Tier 8

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Wolfpac357 #1 Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:23 PM

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I´m currently playing it and got 31% Winrate. The first gun has only 175mm penetration (remember that this is a Tier 8)
It has literally no armour and turns incredible slow for beeing a brawler. 0,42 dispersion and -3° gun elevation.
This tank needs a buff, because nobody plays it, because it is so incredibly bad. Everybody skips it, because you only make 345 exp in average.

So please Wargaming, buff the SU-101:honoring:

DaniulSims #2 Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:57 PM

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Is this serious

lgfrbcsgo #3 Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:59 PM

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So you're judging a tank based on its stock gun? The SU-101 is actually a decent tank now, you should have seen it a few patches ago.

zero_fox_given #4 Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:59 PM

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View PostWolfpac357, on 13 May 2018 - 05:23 PM, said:

I´m currently playing it and got 31% Winrate. The first gun has only 175mm penetration (remember that this is a Tier 8)
It has literally no armour and turns incredible slow for beeing a brawler. 0,42 dispersion and -3° gun elevation.
This tank needs a buff, because nobody plays it, because it is so incredibly bad. Everybody skips it, because you only make 345 exp in average.

So please Wargaming, buff the SU-101:honoring:

 

I can assure you, there are a lot of people playing it at the moment (for obvious reasons). 

Also, stock tanks especially at T8 and T9 tend to be "underwhelming" to encourage you to buy premium or spend free experience. 



Cobra6 #6 Posted 13 May 2018 - 07:13 PM

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The SU-101 is quite the beast nowadays after the buffs, unlike back when I had to grind it with the 100mm as the only top gun (with super expensive shells with terrible penetration).

 

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Enderman21 #7 Posted 13 May 2018 - 07:19 PM

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Man shut up. Ask me when I grinded that crap3 years ago. Now you are crying when this tank is a beast.

breeeze #8 Posted 13 May 2018 - 07:38 PM

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crapon him all you want, but OP is correct. The SU-101 is as much a pile of trash as it was before they changed the line.

 

The stock grind is horrendous, you start with the tier 7s stock gun (not even the top LB-1C gun) and are then forced to grind with a shitty 2nd gun (it used to have a big dpm advantage, now that is crapaswell) through a unique and completely useless 3rd gun (which was added during the change for god knows what reason) to get to the final 122mm. Excluding the radio the stock grind is 170.000 XP, there are not many tier 9s that get such a horribly long grind.

 

And even then, the only thing that changed positively is the armour, but it only works against tier 6,7 and some tier 8 mediums (if they don't use overmatch your exposed engine deck), it's actually with the exception of the lfp weaker than the tier 7 while also being easier to hit, especially when hulldown/sidescraping. So about 75% of the time it is forced into the same playstyle as previously while now being less flexible and having to snipe with 0.42 accuracy and terrible dpm. It can be quite good in the remaining 25% of games, but that definitely does not make up for the trouble. Is it better than before? Probably, the additional hp and snapshot ability does help it for sure, but it is by no means a good tank now.



FatigueGalaxy #9 Posted 13 May 2018 - 07:52 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 13 May 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

The SU-101 is quite the beast nowadays after the buffs, unlike back when I had to grind it with the 100mm as the only top gun (with super expensive shells with terrible penetration).

 

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What did they buff except armour (a bit), gun handling and +100 HP? 100 mm gun was nerfed to the ground, top 122 stayed the same (with slightly lower RoF) and they added middle 122 mm which is overall worse than 100 mm but cheaper to run and fits the tank better (low alpha on tier 8 TD sucks because their HP is so low).

AFAIK it's slower than it used to be, especially traverse speed and armour is way worse than SU-100M1. It lost 30 m view range too...

 

Also, I don't understand why we don't get LB-1C from the previous tank as the stock gun. ~20k for upgraded 100 mm doesn't feel that bad but still...



the_nebuchadnezzar #10 Posted 13 May 2018 - 08:37 PM

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I currently play this exact tank. I didn`t play it with the first gun since I skipped to the second from the start. Still, the tank is kind crap, but once you get the top gun it turns into another tank. Problem is, the tank is not noob friendly. It requires some good map knowledge and you need to take advantage of the spotting system (double bush) cause if you get spotted, you are pretty much done... 1100 HP vanish in 2 shots if you are in a tier 10 game (which u are often). Also, the gun depression is draining the life out of you. 

PS: Tier 7 will rule any game which is top tier since the armor works. On the SU 101 you can not do that cause, somehow, the armor won`t bounce anything. Even lower tiers can pen you easy. 



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View PostWolfpac357, on 13 May 2018 - 06:23 PM, said:

I´m currently playing it and got 31% Winrate. The first gun has only 175mm penetration (remember that this is a Tier 8)
It has literally no armour and turns incredible slow for beeing a brawler. 0,42 dispersion and -3° gun elevation.
This tank needs a buff, because nobody plays it, because it is so incredibly bad. Everybody skips it, because you only make 345 exp in average.

So please Wargaming, buff the SU-101:honoring:

 

I got 74% winrate , 2.6k average , 97 xTE. So what is the problem , player or the tank?

lnfernaI #12 Posted 13 May 2018 - 09:01 PM

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View Postlgfrbcsgo, on 13 May 2018 - 07:59 PM, said:

So you're judging a tank based on its stock gun? The SU-101 is actually a decent tank now, you should have seen it a few patches ago.

 

It wasn't necessarily even bad,the SU-100M1 was the real trash.

The main problem with the TDs of this line, is their gun depression and elevation; the parameters that bury them. I haven't even grinded any of them (and I have no intention to anyway,since I'm not going to have guilty pleasure of breaking the game with the final TD), but it's accurately portrayed on the SU-122-44.

View PostArtick_, on 13 May 2018 - 10:00 PM, said:

 

I got 74% winrate , 2.6k average , 97 xTE. So what is the problem , player or the tank?
 

Mostly the tank. It's not exactly hard to frag tomatoes along with spaghetti,so skill is of little argument here.


Edited by lnfernaI, 13 May 2018 - 09:50 PM.


Naglfarr #13 Posted 13 May 2018 - 09:15 PM

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Play it in Frontline, it's a great tank among other tier 8 where your "turret" armor still works. And the top gun is pretty awesome.

VarzA #14 Posted 13 May 2018 - 09:43 PM

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It sucks, but if you free xp it and the 263's stock grind, you will end up falling in WG's trap ..... so don't pay a dime.

Mike_Mckay #15 Posted 14 May 2018 - 02:17 AM

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I'm an average player at best even when I am actually paying attention and not either just playing for shits n giggles or watching TV whilst playing but I actually quite like the SU101 or did once I got the second and last gun for it


I have no idea what my average XP or damage per game is in it but I doubt its "painful" as it doesn't seem to take that long for me to get my 20k per day for the TOTT in it so perhaps its how you play it that's the issue here

The armour isn't anything like the 268 v4 tier for tier but nor was the armour in that class for any of the lower tanks in the line either but it does "ok" and can work quite well when top tier as well as being pretty good at side scraping


So maybe you should try experimenting with how you play it because although a buff wouldn't hurt any tank obviously I can think of quite a few that actually "need" one but this isn't one I would put in that category tbh
 

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View PostWolfpac357, on 13 May 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

Everybody skips it, because you only make 345 exp in average.

"you". There's that word again, I'm not sure you know its meaning.



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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 13 May 2018 - 06:52 PM, said:

 

What did they buff except armour (a bit), gun handling and +100 HP? 100 mm gun was nerfed to the ground, top 122 stayed the same (with slightly lower RoF) and they added middle 122 mm which is overall worse than 100 mm but cheaper to run and fits the tank better (low alpha on tier 8 TD sucks because their HP is so low).

AFAIK it's slower than it used to be, especially traverse speed and armour is way worse than SU-100M1. It lost 30 m view range too...

 

Also, I don't understand why we don't get LB-1C from the previous tank as the stock gun. ~20k for upgraded 100 mm doesn't feel that bad but still...

 

The 122mm top gun is what makes this TD, it's the gun it should always have had from the start.

And making the armor more effective was good, it was already very strong if used well when I played it years ago so if it's even better then you can't complain.

 

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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 13 May 2018 - 06:52 PM, said:

 

What did they buff except armour (a bit), gun handling and +100 HP? 100 mm gun was nerfed to the ground, top 122 stayed the same (with slightly lower RoF) and they added middle 122 mm which is overall worse than 100 mm but cheaper to run and fits the tank better (low alpha on tier 8 TD sucks because their HP is so low).

AFAIK it's slower than it used to be, especially traverse speed and armour is way worse than SU-100M1. It lost 30 m view range too...

 

Also, I don't understand why we don't get LB-1C from the previous tank as the stock gun. ~20k for upgraded 100 mm doesn't feel that bad but still...

 

A bit of armour? previously it didnt take much to pen for T8's. Now its almost unpennable.

 

Almost like T8 v4

 

 

Heres vs CDC - so you can imagine what it does to T6 and T7 that meet it?


Edited by tumppi776, 14 May 2018 - 07:56 AM.


HaZardeur #19 Posted 14 May 2018 - 08:27 AM

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Someone is struggling on his way to the Bobject v4... do the grind as WG wants you to do it... free XP your way to be a top bobject v4 player

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View PostWolfpac357, on 13 May 2018 - 05:23 PM, said:

 Everybody skips it, because you only make 345 exp in average.
 

 

You've only done 17 battles with it so maybe the main problem isn't actually the tank but while learning it your are worried about screwing up your reroll stats. Seventeeen battles certainly isn't enough to start whining because it is far from a representative number. 

 

I've not done many battles with the SU-101 myself, 40 battles in total, and got 778 average experience, pro rata the representative improvement I'd want over my SU-100M1 for the higher tier. But even 40 battles isn't representative. You are complaining about getting 345 experience but even that is higher than the average experience for the SU-101 at 335. Use it's sniper ability early on, full camo etc., and then later in the battle you can use it's armour to bully and intimidate just as you would use the v4. 

 

The SU-100M1 is the better tank for it's tier, but don't let that diminish the abilities of the SU-101, it is still a very good TD.

 

 


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