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Is the SU-100M1 considered balanced?


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thestaggy #1 Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:08 AM

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I've been playing on my alt-account these past few weeks taking advantage of the consumable missions. Most of the tanks on this account are tier 4 - 6s and with the ongoing TotT you tend to meet a lot of Soviet TDs.

 

One of these Soviet TDs has stood out for me; the SU-100M1. This thing is like a 268 v4 for mid tier tanks. 200 - 210 effective armour on the upper plate with a superstructure that goes from 240 - 400+. The ''weakspot'' being the lower plate, which sits at a still juicy 150 mm when you consider that most tier 5s and 6s don't have that sort of pen unless dabbing the '2' key. I'm ignoring the pixel cupola as a weakspot because tier 5 and 6 guns are not hitting that with any sort of regualrity. Factor in good mobility and 2200 DPM and you have a tank that steamrolls mid tiers and can even troll tier 8s and 9s if it can hide the LFP.

 

So, what is the general opinion on this tank as to me it seems a little too good.

 

EDIT: I see on vBAddict it currently has a global win rate of 52.96%, only surpassed by the AMX 13 57 among tier 7 tanks.


Edited by thestaggy, 15 May 2018 - 08:16 AM.


VarzA #2 Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:14 AM

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Yeah, it's pretty OP.

TankkiPoju #3 Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:20 AM

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Sure, it's "russian balanced".

 

Just like IS vs Black Prince. IS has more DPM, way way better alpha, for some reason also better pen and it's still more mobile. Because reasons.



Rati_Festa #4 Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:24 AM

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I played it recently its totally OP, the beast can brawl t8 heavies due to dpm and angling the armour.

If u play it like the 268 4 ie in the opponents face its a match changer.

Igor_BL #5 Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:28 AM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 15 May 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

Sure, it's "russian balanced".

 

Just like IS vs Black Prince. IS has more DPM, way way better alpha, for some reason also better pen and it's still more mobile. Because reasons.

 

wait, with all other tanks in the game, are you really complaining about IS?

 

do you consider IS OP? broken?



250swb #6 Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:36 AM

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I started really badly with the SU-100M1, but I later went back to it with a more open mind, invested effort into it, and now with over 100 battles my WR is 62% and 709 average experience. The tank ends up pretty easy to play when you have all the usual TD skills for the crew.

TankkiPoju #7 Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:37 AM

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View PostIgor_BL, on 15 May 2018 - 08:28 AM, said:

 

wait, with all other tanks in the game, are you really complaining about IS?

 

do you consider IS OP? broken?

 

I said "russian balance" means WG can give tier 7 Russian heavy tank better alpha (over 2x better), better mobility, better pen and better DPM than a British tier 7 heavy tank.

 

It's an example.

 



Igor_BL #8 Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:54 AM

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and 0.46acc & 3.5s aimtime... those two tanks cant even compare, IMO.

 

I agree IS is better tank, BP is... meh, at best... but those two tanks are two different universes.



ares354 #9 Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:20 PM

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That SU 100M1 have JT like armor on tier 7, mobility of MT, and buffed pen on gun up to 212 which is way better then OLD boys from good old times, Jagdpanther, T25 AT, T25-2. 

Balc0ra #10 Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:38 PM

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Depends. Issue is that most play the 2nd line support or TD role with it still. So they don't hit much. But up close as top tier, even on the HT line as top dog? It's a different beast for sure vs before. It's actually something my E25 hates to counter. As he lacks pen to deal with it effectively at med to long range at most angles.

Dava_117 #11 Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:52 PM

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It's another case of badly balanced tanks. The accuracy, cammo and pen are way to high for a brawler TD. It can stay on second line sniping and it's basically invulnerable.

But looks like WG didn't understand yet that assault guns and brawling MTs should get HT level of cammo... :facepalm:



Igor_BL #12 Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:53 PM

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only downside of su100m1 is traverse speed. and that is about it... ffs, that thing has better armor then su101...

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View PostIgor_BL, on 15 May 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

only downside of su100m1 is traverse speed. and that is about it... ffs, that thing has better armor then su101...

 

Then SU 101, this thing have better armor then Fredi. ! tier 8 armored TD 

LordMuffin #14 Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:14 PM

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View PostIgor_BL, on 15 May 2018 - 08:54 AM, said:

and 0.46acc & 3.5s aimtime... those two tanks cant even compare, IMO.

 

I agree IS is better tank, BP is... meh, at best... but those two tanks are two different universes.

Indeed they are 2 different universes.

The IS is pretty decent, the BP is terrible.



CircleOfSorrow #15 Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:21 PM

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Rabble rabble rabble.

The thing can't turn to save itself, and anybody with a brain won't sit in front of it to get farmed.  When I'm playing it, I always make sure a leave a little space between myself and the enemy to maneuver, because of I get to close they can just scoot around me.  

But I guess this is the sport of complaining, so yes, it is super OP and WG should nerf it until it isn't any fun to play.

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 15 May 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

Rabble rabble rabble.

The thing can't turn to save itself, and anybody with a brain won't sit in front of it to get farmed. When I'm playing it, I always make sure a leave a little space between myself and the enemy to maneuver, because of I get to close they can just scoot around me.

But I guess this is the sport of complaining, so yes, it is super OP and WG should nerf it until it isn't any fun to play.

 

The next battle mode... every player has same tank, same equipment..etc.... same moans lol 

FatigueGalaxy #17 Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:16 PM

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Looks OP but it's still a casemate TD with 850 HP. I hate engaging them in tier 7/6 tanks but once you get around it or can pen it in LFP, it dies really fast. It's blind as bat too so it's kinda easy to sneak up to it.

However, unlike SU-101, Obj. 263 and Obj. 268v4 this thing actually gets really good firepower for its tier. 2.2k DPM is way too much for this thing.



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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 15 May 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

The thing can't turn to save itself,

 

Have 'Clutch Breaking' on your driver, turning sorted. 



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View PostLordMuffin, on 15 May 2018 - 05:14 PM, said:

Indeed they are 2 different universes.

The IS is pretty decent, the BP is terrible.

 

I could agree with this. But IS is pretty decent in good hands. In bad it is mediocre...
I was ok with BP, as much as i can be with slow tank - i hate those... but sure, that tank is crap, to be honest.

sabre_ferret #20 Posted 15 May 2018 - 10:40 PM

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Heheh, loved it before when it was mobile.  Sold it since it got buffed because I hate the new playstyle.  (Still going up the TOTT for the Bobject.  Having a riot with the 263.)




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