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Procjon #1 Posted 16 May 2018 - 01:42 AM

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I was wondering if you guys have same issues as i have when driving over the rocks or i should specify it as a terrain made of rock - not those tiny rocks that scouts trip over :).

 

Basically once i touch it it feels like i'm ice skating, the tank loses control, it slides in all possible directions. I understand such an effect if i'm falling down the hill but driving horizontally doesn't make any sense to dance like that taking into account it has a weight counted in TONS.

 

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Valerius #2 Posted 16 May 2018 - 01:53 AM

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It's the way the physics work in the game.

Whenever you are touching a surface you cannot traverse the tank will lose all traction and "fall" down to traversable terrain again. With the new maps they introduced all these crop-ups every where, I have lost track on how many lights I've seen flying up in the air due to a wooden log or stone pebble thats hidden under a bush.



Ceeb #3 Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:05 AM

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It's made of rock covered in soap suds or oil

Probably WGs answer to mountain goating.  

Homer_J #4 Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:49 AM

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No, it's made of pixels.

 

Anyway, how do you expect metal tracks to act on solid rock?



Kozzy #5 Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:16 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 16 May 2018 - 06:49 AM, said:

No, it's made of pixels.

 

Anyway, how do you expect metal tracks to act on solid rock?

 

Probably a bit more like metal on solid rock rather than polished/oiled metal on soapy, oily rock.

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View PostKozzy, on 16 May 2018 - 08:16 AM, said:

 

Probably a bit more like metal on solid rock rather than polished/oiled metal on soapy, oily rock.

Metal on solid rock sounds pretty slippery to me, maybe not climbing gear but at least those flat metal pads on tank tracks.



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View PostSuperOlsson, on 16 May 2018 - 09:07 AM, said:

Metal on solid rock sounds pretty slippery to me, maybe not climbing gear but at least those flat metal pads on tank tracks.

 

I would like to think there is a gradient in terms of 'slippyness' rather than the binary 'slippery / not slippery' approach that WG (and a few forum users) have adopted.

Graeme0 #8 Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:25 AM

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Try not driving on the rocks. 

 

Problem solved



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View PostHomer_J, on 16 May 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

No, it's made of pixels.

 

Anyway, how do you expect metal tracks to act on solid rock?

 

Please explain how tanks don't slide like that on the cobblestone roads of Himmelsdorf, then. :coin:

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View PostHomer_J, on 16 May 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

No, it's made of pixels.

 

Anyway, how do you expect metal tracks to act on solid rock?

 

but my m4 has rubber track pads

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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 16 May 2018 - 07:22 PM, said:

Please explain how tanks don't slide like that on the cobblestone roads of Himmelsdorf, then. :coin:

 

ermm.....

 

Because cobblestones provide a "wedging" effect which creates traction, they actually make a remarkably good [low speed] road surface

whereas rocky slopes have sliding gravel and loose stone surfaces which act as a liquefactant(?)  and decreases traction

 

Any motorcyclist knows this.

 

Cobbles are not "nice" to ride on as there is some tendency to bounce between the cobbles, but there is traction, actually quite a lot, which is why it is uncomfortable (unless they're wet in which case all bets are off), but that's also why dirt, sand and gravel bikes have knobbly tires.

 

In the first the surface grips the tyres and in the latter the tyres grip the surface.

 

I can't answer for tank tracks particularly, but I would imagine it's something similar to the fact that wet drain covers produce about the same amount of traction as iced gravel covered glass, with the wet drain cover being the tracks. Tonnage is virtually irrelevant 1

 

 

A tricky thing is traction.1

 

I''m pretty certain they tried this with Himmelsdorf and Winter Himmelsdorf,

In particular if you hit a 90 degree left turn, say after coming up from the south, you'd come over the hill and be gaining momentum going down and then turn towards red cap: On normal you'd wedge into the cobbles and either make the turn, or roll your tank depending on your speed, but on Winter, you'd not turn as quickly or start to slide across and bounce off the buildings along the A line.

 

This is [relatively] trivial to do with the existing terrain/traction/traverse modifiers for "swamp" like terrains. Just do it in reverse. Most tanks wouldn't even notice the difference, and largely I believe the view was  "himmelsdorf with snow skin" and few cared to notice or look for any difference.

 

Just sayin' no g. $0.02 worth 

 

YMMV. I just know that usually when I "launch" a light tank, or "slide off a rock" it's because I'm doing something stupid.

 

1 This is why it's "fun" to ride a motorcycle: In your 'average car', there are four roughly hand sized contact points (rubber meets /tarmac) (2)that hold you to the ground, whereas the motorcycle only has two, each about the size of a 50 pence piece (that's why they've got "rounded" tyres) 

2 A few car drivers could do with absorbing this point: Most  drivers are basically four hand prints away from literally taking off, and launching into an uncontrolled ballistic trajectory.

 

</Traction4Fun>

 



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The cobbles in WOT are an anomaly and theoretically should be much more slippery. I can't remember which number King Tiger it was but there is a well known photograph showing a knocked out tank half buried by a house, caused by the tank sliding out of control on cobbles and into the house. House 1 - 0 Tiger. If anybody imagines tracks have significant grip ask yourself how a tank can rotate on the spot? If they gripped the ground surface they wouldn't be able to slip laterally as the tank turns. Tracks are used on tanks primarily as an efficient way to spread the weight on soft ground.

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View PostPvt_Duffer, on 17 May 2018 - 02:30 AM, said:

 

ermm.....

 

 

 

Nice long explanation.   I would have just referred to my first comment, they aren't cobbles, they are pixels.  As such they can behave any way WG wants them to.  And if WG doesn't want you climbing all over some rocks then they can make them so slippery that you can't sit still.

 

I would like the ice on Glacier to be more icy though. :D



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Pixel tanks on pixel rocks.... its all a slippery slope I tells ya. A slippery slope!!!

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Yes they are rocks... soap rocks. :trollface:

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View Post250swb, on 17 May 2018 - 02:26 AM, said:

ask yourself how a tank can rotate on the spot? 

Counter rotating tracks.



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View Post250swb, on 17 May 2018 - 02:26 AM, said:

.... If anybody imagines tracks have significant grip ask yourself how a tank can rotate on the spot? If they gripped the ground surface they wouldn't be able to slip laterally as the tank turns. Tracks are used on tanks primarily as an efficient way to spread the weight on soft ground.

 

 

Look how slippy that tarmac that cobbled ground is.. tank's just gliding round and round...


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I wouldn't be surprised if this is Wargaming's solution against mountain goats.

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 May 2018 - 07:14 AM, said:

I would like the ice on Glacier to be more icy though. :D

 

...with a weight limit of ~100 tons, so superheavies fall through :hiding: (I know some people would want that, personally I don't care)

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View PostPvt_Duffer, on 17 May 2018 - 09:42 AM, said:

Counter rotating tracks.

 

.....and if the tracks had lots of grip and couldn't slide laterally to allow the tank to rotate the differentials would strip their gears.





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