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fwhaatpiraat #1 Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:38 PM

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Hi all,

 

Yesterday this happened: after a very dynamic and inspiring game I wanted to detrack the enemy T95 for extra assistance cuz why not. However, I not only managed to penetrate the T95, I even set him on fire and killed him. HOW?

 

1) Yes, it's me who shot him, not somebody else, I even set him on fire and killed him.

2) He was facing me, his right front track was the part that got hit, not his left rear part of the track (he wasn't looking away from me, see replay if not clear).

3) The outer track of a T95 has no hit box at all, nowhere. I couldn't shoot up in to the hull or so and overmatch (which happens on German tanks, also on tier x Chinese td I recently discovered).

4) Tracks can't ricochet, right?

5) He was behind a freaking rock, no lag or anything can cause it.

 

 

Please explain me how this happened :)

 

Can upload replay, if needed.

 



Search_Warrant #2 Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:40 PM

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Ricoche into hull?? literally the only thing i can think of. i have also penned T95 in odd areas of there tracks.

wremise #3 Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:44 PM

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Thanks to the "ballistic angle" your shell has flown over that boulder, and then you have hit right of your aim, directly on the lower frontplate.

I dont have an other explanation



fwhaatpiraat #4 Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:54 PM

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View Postwremise, on 17 May 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

Thanks to the "ballistic angle" your shell has flown over that boulder, and then you have hit right of your aim, directly on the lower frontplate.

I dont have an other explanation

 

You can see the shell flying, just below and left of where I aimed.

Erwin_Von_Braun #5 Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:57 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 17 May 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

Hi all,

 

Yesterday this happened: after a very dynamic and inspiring game I wanted to detrack the enemy T95 for extra assistance cuz why not. However, I not only managed to penetrate the T95, I even set him on fire and killed him. HOW?

 

1) Yes, it's me who shot him, not somebody else, I even set him on fire and killed him.

2) He was facing me, his right front track was the part that got hit, not his left rear part of the track (he wasn't looking away from me, see replay if not clear).

3) The outer track of a T95 has no hit box at all, nowhere. I couldn't shoot up in to the hull or so and overmatch (which happens on German tanks, also on tier x Chinese td I recently discovered).

4) Tracks can't ricochet, right?

5) He was behind a freaking rock, no lag or anything can cause it.

 

 

Please explain me how this happened :)

 

Can upload replay, if needed.

 

 

Like all Big Berthas, my friend, they are best penetrated from behind.:trollface:

Balc0ra #6 Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:19 PM

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Use a free cam mod and pause the replay to look if there is a 2nd tracer out of the impact. As I suspect it is, and it went for the lower plate. As you more or less only see a module there. As far as I know, the front track area past the mantle has no armor hitbox.

How_hard_can_it_be #7 Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:27 PM

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Back in the old days I managed to set 110 on fire with one shot. The problem is I was in Black Prince, he was above me and the only option was his cupola. It's probably still my biggest WTF moment in my WoT  career.

fwhaatpiraat #8 Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:30 PM

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If somebody has a freecam mod, go ahead: http://wotreplays.eu...e/4362735#stats

Really interested in the outcome.

 

Don't forget to skip the first minutes.


Edited by fwhaatpiraat, 17 May 2018 - 07:31 PM.


Rosetta_and_Philae #9 Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:52 PM

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There have been bugs in the T95's armour for years.  Shots going through the tracks at odd angles and doing damage.  If you penetrate the frontal track guard there is a chance your shot will damage the tank.  There was a thread about this a while ago but no official explanation was given. 

TsundereWaffle #10 Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:58 PM

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View PostHow_hard_can_it_be, on 17 May 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

Back in the old days I managed to set 110 on fire with one shot. The problem is I was in Black Prince, he was above me and the only option was his cupola. It's probably still my biggest WTF moment in my WoT  career.

 

Once had something similar where I shot a Maus in the top side of the turret when he tried to peek a ridge, setting him on fire

Laatikkomafia #11 Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:49 PM

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I also remember setting German tanks on fire by hitting the gearbox.

 

Oh wait, it was a feature :trollface:



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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 17 May 2018 - 08:49 PM, said:

I also remember setting German tanks on fire by hitting the gearbox.

 

Oh wait, it was a feature :trollface:

 

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Enforcer1975 #13 Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:59 PM

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Maybe the server decided he wasn't that far into cover yet like you saw it on your screen.

 

I had many siatuations where i thought i missed because the tracer "went moonwards" and yet i hit the tank i was aiming for. 



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The T95's loader was just lifting a new shell when yours hit, rattling him and causing him to drop his big 155mm round right on his foot.

Recoiling with an agonized scream, he elbowed the commander in the back - who then kicked the driver in the head.

The driver thought it was the end and shat himself, clogging various vital components inside the hull which the game then calculated to be worth exactly 293 hp.

The clogged components then caught fire, as a result of the driver's typically questionable diet - while the poor gunner was left wondering what in the world he had done to deserve this.

Obviously.



Dava_117 #15 Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:01 AM

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Ok, that's my opinion:

Your shot hit the internal part of the external sideskirt and ricochet toward the hull. The shell luckily pass in the channel between driving wheels and hit track just when is close enought to the hull to prevent the 10 caliber rule from absorbing it, pen the side of the hull and hit the fuel tanks setting the tank on fire. Nice lucky shot mate!


Edited by Dava_117, 18 May 2018 - 12:02 AM.


DeBanus #16 Posted 18 May 2018 - 05:01 AM

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World of Tanks go home, you're drunk....

PervyPastryPuffer #17 Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:04 AM

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Can somebody take some time with a friend and try to remake the same situation in a training room? Pick the S1 and T95 ofc. This is genuinely intriguing.

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...but...why the Strv S1?

Balc0ra #19 Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:58 AM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 17 May 2018 - 07:30 PM, said:

If somebody has a freecam mod, go ahead: http://wotreplays.eu...e/4362735#stats

Really interested in the outcome.

 

Don't forget to skip the first minutes.

 

So I watched it in 1/4 the speed 6 times. Issue was that there was no 2nd tracer to show what happened. Even when I clipped the camera inside or under the tank.

 

 

As shown here you hit him head on at the far side, but a 2nd impact was registered at the same time on the rear right side, indicated by the 2nd burn hit. I thought it was a hit from someone else. But the STA-1 in front of it did not fire, the VK on his right flank had not fired at this point, the Progetto on his left rear was aiming the other way vs a different target, and the HWK-12 aiming at it fired right after this. So that 2nd impact could only be yours. As it must have hit something in the model, and bounced of into the engine, causing a fire and you getting the kill.

Spoiler

 

But as seen on this image, your impact was right on the far left track on the client anyway. And no 2nd tracer was seen shifting direction. So the 2nd impact must have been inside the tank. Tho there could be a variation on your client vs what the server said you hit. But you tracked him, so your impact was not far off that area I suspect. But what your shell bounced off to manage to hit the rear? I could not say 100% exactly.

 

Spoiler

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 18 May 2018 - 08:23 AM.


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View PostBalc0ra, on 18 May 2018 - 07:58 AM, said:

 

So I watched it in 1/4 the speed 6 times. Issue was that there was no 2nd tracer to show what happened. Even when I clipped the camera inside or under the tank.

 

 

As shown here you hit him head on at the far side, but a 2nd impact was registered at the same time on the rear right side, indicated by the 2nd burn hit. I thought it was a hit from someone else. But the STA-1 in front of it did not fire, the VK on his right flank had not fired at this point, the Progetto on his left rear was aiming the other way vs a different target, and the HWK-12 aiming at it fired right after this. So that 2nd impact could only be yours. As it must have hit something in the model, and bounced of into the engine, causing a fire and you getting the kill.

Spoiler

 

But as seen on this image, your impact was right on the far left track on the client anyway. And no 2nd tracer was seen shifting direction. So the 2nd impact must have been inside the tank. Tho there could be a variation on your client vs what the server said you hit. But you tracked him, so your impact was not far off that area I suspect. But what your shell bounced off to manage to hit the rear? I could not say 100% exactly.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Well, the shell can bounce on the sideskirt. Those are 74 or 101mm thick, depending on the location, but all those thickness are enought to allow a 105mm shell to ricochet. The hardest part is how the shell managed to pass trought the track without the 10 caliber rule absorbing it for 0 damage. There is a channel inside the track where the shell may pass, but it's quite hard if not impossible to get it without hitting the front wheel triggering the 10 caliber rule...





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