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Unicorn_of_Steel #1 Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:34 PM

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Is anyone going for playing only historically acurate (or almost acurate) tanks? Like a Luchs with 5 cm instead of 3 cm, Panzer IV with 7,5 cm instead of derp, no Panzer III/IV, that stuff. And if so, how does this work out for you? Is the game still playable / fun? Reason for asking is that I would like to  start trying to stay as close to historically acurate as possible but still want to be able to perform well within the teams and keep having fun.

IRSanchez #2 Posted 18 May 2018 - 04:16 AM

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Usually it's not the best way to play your tanks, as historical configs are much weaker than what WG gives as elite (just think of Tiger 1 having to fight tanks like O-Ni with its 145mm penetration from historical 88mm L56 - not to even mention you will meet things like IS3, T54 etc). Generally it's not a good idea, but there are some exceptions.

 

One of them is KV-2 with the 152mm. You will have plenty of fun while keeping "historical accuracy" in check as well as not beeing dead weight for your team.

Achilles and Firefly should also work well.

Jagdpanther with the long 88 mm is another one, though it's much weaker tier for tier.

I guess It's doable if you dig a bit, but the tank pool is pretty limited.
Keep in mind that you will still face fancy and non-historcally setup tanks, so what is the point of this excercise? 

 


Edited by IRSanchez, 18 May 2018 - 04:29 AM.


Unicorn_of_Steel #3 Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:10 AM

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There is no real point tbh. I am currently on the German line up to tier 5. I notice that I find it hard to do well with stuff like the 3 cm and the 10,5 cm howitzer. I feel more comfortable with the 5cm and the 7,5 cm, 'the real guns'. Even on Luchs and Leopard. But then I feel that the Pz IV struggles at tier 5 without the derp. I think your answer is clear, you can't really keep that up going to higher tiers.



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It only works to a very limited extent in any case this is not a pure ww2 game.

Had the Luchs been produced after the war it could well have had the 3cm gun.

 

The panther has some ridiculous guns in the game but they put it in a tier higher.

The VK30-02M or the Pudel both at tier 6 are reasonably close to an actual panther.

Playing the tier 7 panther with historical gun will leave you well outclassed.

Same with the Tiger 1.

 

If the game took into account stock configurations and balanced the games accordingly it might have worked.



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View PostUnicorn_of_Steel, on 17 May 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:

Is anyone going for playing only historically acurate (or almost acurate) tanks? Like a Luchs with 5 cm instead of 3 cm, Panzer IV with 7,5 cm instead of derp, no Panzer III/IV, that stuff. And if so, how does this work out for you? Is the game still playable / fun? Reason for asking is that I would like to  start trying to stay as close to historically acurate as possible but still want to be able to perform well within the teams and keep having fun.

 

Actually the PZ IV started out with the derp and then later switched over to the 7.5cm as the war progressed.

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View PostBSHDBCG, on 18 May 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

 

Actually the PZ IV started out with the derp and then later switched over to the 7.5cm as the war progressed.

 

as did the Stug III

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It seems completely pointless to me.  Even if you do play a "historically accurate" tank, you are placing in a red ringed sandbox, with 14 individuals (no military structure or communication) all driving non-historic tanks from a whole variety of different nations and a variety of different eras and you're "playing" against 15 of the same.

 

Where is the "historic accuracy" of you circle straffing a Japanese heavy in your German light, while being supported by a Chinese TD and Swedish medium and getting shot at by German artillery and a Tiger III.

 

The historic similarity adds interest and immersion, its not a religion. 



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View PostBSHDBCG, on 18 May 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

 

Actually the PZ IV started out with the derp and then later switched over to the 7.5cm as the war progressed.

 

View PostGremlin182, on 18 May 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

 

as did the Stug III

 

Just to clarify here what the term derp means here. The Pz IV and the StuG III both started out with the 7,5 cm KwK 37 L/24 howitzer (so the mini derp in WoT terms).

Neither of both tanks ever sported the 10,5 cm derp that they have in game.

The later StuH 42 had the 10,5 cm gun.


Edited by Nethraniel, 18 May 2018 - 10:31 AM.


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View PostNethraniel, on 18 May 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

 

 

Just to clarify here what the term derp means here. The Pz IV and the StuG III both started out with the 7,5 cm KwK 37 L/24 howitzer (so the mini derp in WoT terms).

Neither of both tanks ever sported the 10,5 cm derp that they have in game.

The later StuH 42 had the 10,5 cm gun.

 

apologies yes of course

Jigabachi #10 Posted 18 May 2018 - 04:03 PM

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Deliberately choosing inferior tankparts because of "realism"?
No, that would be plain stupid. WoT isn't realistic at all, so that wouldn't make any sense.

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Unicorn_of_Steel #11 Posted 18 May 2018 - 04:27 PM

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"Where is the "historic accuracy" of you circle straffing a Japanese heavy in your German light, while being supported by a Chinese TD and Swedish medium and getting shot at by German artillery and a Tiger III."

 

 

This says it all I guess...brilliant.



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View PostUnicorn_of_Steel, on 17 May 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

Is anyone going for playing only historically acurate (or almost acurate) tanks? Like a Luchs with 5 cm instead of 3 cm, Panzer IV with 7,5 cm instead of derp, no Panzer III/IV, that stuff. And if so, how does this work out for you? Is the game still playable / fun? Reason for asking is that I would like to  start trying to stay as close to historically acurate as possible but still want to be able to perform well within the teams and keep having fun.

 

If you want that go and play War Thunder. 

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hurr hurr im gonna deliberately give myself a disadvantage because i take an ARCADE game too seriously hurrrrrrrrrr 

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View PostUnicorn_of_Steel, on 18 May 2018 - 06:10 AM, said:

There is no real point tbh. I am currently on the German line up to tier 5. I notice that I find it hard to do well with stuff like the 3 cm and the 10,5 cm howitzer. I feel more comfortable with the 5cm and the 7,5 cm, 'the real guns'. Even on Luchs and Leopard. But then I feel that the Pz IV struggles at tier 5 without the derp. I think your answer is clear, you can't really keep that up going to higher tiers.

 

with the 7.5cm the Pz IV H faces the same problem as most other meds at tier V, that is: Without a derp gun you are left with a generally fairly poor 75-76.2mm gun which lacks accuracy, gun handling and DPM to be really competetive. Especially vs higher tiers you will get butchered. The 10.5cm Howitzer also has fairly bad accuracy, but it's not that much worse then the "normal" gun while you gain DPM (alltough you need to take that with a bag of salt as it's a derp gun so you won't be actually doing that full dmg all the time) and more importantly alpha with oneshot potential and fair factor.

 

So yeah, you could play them historically. But most of the community here (which is REALLY surprising given that generally the WoT community is like a headless chicken) agrees on the fact that "historical" tanks are generally not as great as "paper only" tanks. While there may be a couple of reasons behind this, I personally think that the fact that the paper tanks never had to deal with stuff like physics allows them a lot more freedom in designing them to be better.



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View PostUnicorn_of_Steel, on 18 May 2018 - 04:27 PM, said:

"Where is the "historic accuracy" of you circle straffing a Japanese heavy in a High Tier Russian light, while being supported by a Chinese TD and Top tier Russian medium and getting shot at by French artillery and a Object {insert random number}."

 

 

This says it all I guess...brilliant.

 

Now it should work XD

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View PostUnicorn_of_Steel, on 17 May 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

Is anyone going for playing only historically acurate (or almost acurate) tanks? Like a Luchs with 5 cm instead of 3 cm, Panzer IV with 7,5 cm instead of derp, no Panzer III/IV, that stuff. And if so, how does this work out for you? Is the game still playable / fun? Reason for asking is that I would like to  start trying to stay as close to historically acurate as possible but still want to be able to perform well within the teams and keep having fun.

 

Yeah, the Luchs IRL only had the 20mm Kwk 38, so have "fun" using that against O-I's and T-150's.

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View PostIRSanchez, on 18 May 2018 - 04:16 AM, said:

Usually it's not the best way to play your tanks, as historical configs are much weaker than what WG gives as elite (just think of Tiger 1 having to fight tanks like O-Ni with its 145mm penetration from historical 88mm L56 - not to even mention you will meet things like IS3, T54 etc). Generally it's not a good idea, but there are some exceptions.

 

One of them is KV-2 with the 152mm. You will have plenty of fun while keeping "historical accuracy" in check as well as not beeing dead weight for your team.

Achilles and Firefly should also work well.

Jagdpanther with the long 88 mm is another one, though it's much weaker tier for tier.

I guess It's doable if you dig a bit, but the tank pool is pretty limited.
Keep in mind that you will still face fancy and non-historcally setup tanks, so what is the point of this excercise? 

Just make sure you only fire forwards or backwards, and only turn your turret on flat ground. :P



TungstenHitman #18 Posted 21 May 2018 - 05:27 PM

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I do have a soft spot for playing tanks that look the part in terms of being historically accurate so long as they are also competitive and in their top spec of modules without reducing the tanks ability. The ones I like to play the most would be mediums at the mo. The T-34-85, this is historically accurate when fully upgraded too I think, the 3 man turret and the 85mm cannon, all historically accurate and a nice competitive tank too. The STRV74 is another tanks that when fully upgraded is, so far as I can tell, historically accurate, the VK(m) medium. The JPanther can be played historically accurate with it's long 88mm option without losing too much competitiveness though I would have to say the higher caliber gun is just more alpha in the bank for whatever shots that are on offer... I think a lot of mid tier tanks, TDs, Heavies, KV options.. Cromies and T-34 varients... Crusader... Chaffee... they may well be historically accurate when fully upgraded. None of them are accurate obviously in terms of anything else, just at times, the look. 




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