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Poll: Does panzer 58 deserve a buff? (30 members have cast votes)

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Does the panzer 58 deserve a buff?

  1. Yes absolutely (22 votes [73.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.33%

  2. Not sure (1 vote [3.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  3. Nah mate (2 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  4. Don't really care mate (5 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

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Dewep #1 Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:40 PM

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As we all know panzer 58 mutz, schwarzpanzer 58 and so on is a tier 8 premium medium tank in World of Tanks. I'm actually really surprised nobody is talking about how underwhelming this tank is and how disappointing was its' performance. First of all I suppose it's supposed to be a balanced medium with some frontal armor, maneuverability and a decent gun. So the armor works... in theory, but not in action, everything goes through in any angle like it's one of those french paper tanks. I have now little bit under 200 games with this vehicle and I can count the bounces with my fingers, with one of my hands. In addition the view range is hideous even with my best girl crew on on board. Also the gun trolls you on every shot you take, which makes it very frustrating to play. I just feel like this tank could be much more than just another premium medium tank without any distinct features. Anyways this my own opinion on the tank, how do you feel like the tank performs compared to other tier 8 mediums and what are your experiences? I personally think it's could use a buff in accuracy and turret armor.

Balc0ra #2 Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:04 PM

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Issue is that tier 8 meds tier for tier are generally weaker. So this is reflected in a majority of the tier 8 meds atm. Not just one. It's more then one that needs buffs.

 

I don't own one. But it did not seem to excel on anything when it was new either. But now when facing it, or seeing one fight they seem to struggle a bit more vs the more newer additions on close range vs before. But they don't seem to suffer that badly with the new meta on med to long range still.



Dorander #3 Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:05 PM

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It's a tier 8 Leopard, essentially. Which is more okay at tier 8 because tier 8 is not so ridiculously skewed as tier 10. The Mutz's problem is that it doesn't really bring anything special to the table... it's a dallop of perfectly average in a cover of paper armour.

 

It gets outperformed by the Spaghetto, but then, what tier 8 medium doesn't.



UndesiredHero #4 Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:48 PM

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View PostDorander, on 18 May 2018 - 07:05 PM, said:

It's a tier 8 Leopard, essentially. Which is more okay at tier 8 because tier 8 is not so ridiculously skewed as tier 10. The Mutz's problem is that it doesn't really bring anything special to the table... it's a dallop of perfectly average in a cover of paper armour.

 

It gets outperformed by the Spaghetto, but then, what tier 8 medium doesn't.

 

It need better gunhandling if u want it to be like a leo

Strizi #5 Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:52 PM

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All german meds especially hightiers need a buff but wg doesnt care about axis tanks.

HundeWurst #6 Posted 18 May 2018 - 10:18 PM

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I have it in my garage and havnt touched it ever after I 3 moe that tank. I dont plan on eer touching it again as well in ts current state. ts a bad joke of a tank.

 

I would need some massive buffs to make it at least semi competent...



UndesiredHero #7 Posted 18 May 2018 - 10:20 PM

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Yea its pretty bad. but panther is worse lol

Dorander #8 Posted 18 May 2018 - 10:21 PM

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View PostUndesiredHero, on 18 May 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

 

It need better gunhandling if u want it to be like a leo

 

Only if you think a tier 8 should have the same gun handling as a tier 10 by default.

D4wiD3K #9 Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:19 PM

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View PostDorander, on 18 May 2018 - 09:21 PM, said:

 

Only if you think a tier 8 should have the same gun handling as a tier 10 by default.

 

That's where the problems begin though. In the current matchmaking tier 8 tanks face tier 9-10 tanks almost every battle without having any practical tools to combat them. And if you actually give them the tools to fight against tier 9-10 tanks, tier 6 will die in no time. Isn't +2/-2 a wonderful system?


Now we have a game full of hardcore imbalance and tier 8 tanks can't be buffed without complete destruction of tier 6 so we have and all kinds of ret*rds saying that "tanks are balanced for +2/-2" even if that means they are useless, weak support tanks in most battles.

 

As long as this game has +2/-2 matchmaking the only way of changing things is mixing problems up and moving them elsewhere. Fixing them isn't possible as long as the foundations are broken.

 

Tanks like PZ 58 will be unplayable until we get +1/-1 because it doesn't have enough armor to be a good top tier while the matchmaker artificially demands it to be played aggressively, and on the other hand it's an absolutely horrible bottom tier because it just doesn't have any meaningful qualities in a tier 10 battle. In battles only containing 7-8 and 8-9 it would still be weaker than good tier 8 tanks but definitely workable. But the game would be boring and stale if tanks like PZ 58 were playable, right!?


Edited by D4wiD3K, 19 May 2018 - 01:22 AM.


skaduck #10 Posted 08 December 2018 - 08:12 PM

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Pazner 58 need MUST BUFF HERE

 

50 to 55 km/h because 50 km/k IS FAKE so 55 so real proof of WIKI information about Panzer 58, 

Dispersion 0.35 to 0.31,

Moving 0.17 to 0.12,

tank tranverse 0.17 to 0.10,

Permium APCR 1250 to 1500 ms,

Reloading 7.67 to 6.42,

Tank traverse 46.93 to 51.92

 

That need Good tank WITHOUT ARMOR, Also AMX CDC need buff reloading and moving too.

 

That perfect balance so Russian Wargaming should be copy my information for buff that,






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