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HM_Kaiser #41 Posted 30 September 2018 - 04:30 PM

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Loved tier 4, tier 5 was OK for me, currently I'm at tier 6, which is a huge disappointment : slow, horrible turret traverse and gun handling on top gun. The only thing it has is some armor, but I don't care.

In fact, I'm back to the stock gun, I do better in it (and it does not miss every single shot at mid range).

 

I decided to not use free XP for this line.



VarzA #42 Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:05 PM

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Some ppl compared this with the Skoda T40, i played that tank a looooong time, trained 3 crews for TVP T50/51, Skoda T50 and Skoda T25.

I hate the Skoda T40, it's powercreeped out of the water because after it's release, the VK 30.01 P got buffed to -8 on gun depression, it's big, it has no armor, it has the derpy german 88 ... etc, yet it is still a far better tank than the t5/6 of this line.

 

The T5 was compared at one point to the Skoda T24, as another lackluster T5 tank .... the T24 is way better than the P43 because it has better mobility, which allows you to spot well at that tier if you pack on tons of vision. P43 can't do that.

 

T6 is horrible when you grind stock, ground resists on hard are good, but once you get to medium, and especially soft, it feels like you are driving a KV1.

 

Seems the t7 has slightly better mobility, i certainly hope so.



Oldewolfe #43 Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:46 AM

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Tier 7 is more 6 but Faster and the Gun Handles a Tad Better, beyond that, I'm still on the Fence over it.....

 

The 5 and 6 are the only 2 I found ZERO Use for.....       I didn't have them long, I did Train the Crew to 100% each Tier, I used Equipment and Skills as I was moving my Prog 46 Crew thru them, and they just didn't Work well.....        I had the Free XP, so I "Ground" thru them Trying all the Modules in Order trying to find a Workable Combination.....      They never did Fit right....

 

I did get the Tier 2 Lt lastnight, and that thing can be some Fun....      So, at present the only 3 I do NOT Have anymore are the Tier 2 Medium and the 5 and 6....    I have Kept all the rest.....



ZeroKelvin #44 Posted 27 December 2018 - 09:13 PM

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Did they ninja buff the P43?

 

it really works for me o_O



Lokik #45 Posted 28 December 2018 - 10:18 PM

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Tier 5 was just a generic tier 5 medium. Nothing great, but not bad either. Tier 6 was great in my book. The gun just seemed to work really well. Tier 7 was enjoyable as well, although kinda weird how it has the same gun as the tier 6 but worse DPM. Still, an easy grind just as the 6.

ZeroKelvin #46 Posted 04 January 2019 - 08:01 PM

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P43 bis is the shizzle

 

The DPM with the gun depression, alpha and accuracy on a low profile plattform that doesn't fall apart so easy

 

 

 

 



boomer1_1 #47 Posted 31 July 2019 - 09:35 AM

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I just dont understand the naysayers. I am far from a unicum, I can do it but not consistently yet I find I have above average winrates on both tanks mentioned and in fact havent felt the need to move up to tier7 yet, as i need all credits for 9 and 10 in other lines, Lets face it with the standard of team play at these tiers, (excluding seal clubbers or experienced grinders) It reallly isnt hard to make these tanks work to 54% - 55% WR.  At least thats what I have found.

Snaques #48 Posted 28 January 2020 - 05:43 PM

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Three marked the tier 6 today and can't say I enjoyed it. It sounds wrong, but I actually had way more fun even in the Polish 40TP. Both are still way behind the VK30.01P in the ranks of best high alpha MT at tier 6.

 

Don't get me wrong I did ok in the bis, but the amount of disappointment the tank offers is just insane. You are late to the party half the time and miss from 20m half the time. Obviously if it were faster and had better gun handling, it would be silly op but as it is it wasn't enjoyable.



101 #49 Posted 16 February 2020 - 10:13 AM

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I took advantage of my accumulated blueprints and my free xp to get the T6 full from scratch and put a won crew during the Chaffee race and with the Christmas queens. So it's my first Italian tank. I then freexp the Tier 7 to get the Pantera wich was my goal. I played 38 battles so far with mixed sentiment but with some great battles in pure t6 games. Like this one, playing sniper :

 



djolltax #50 Posted 20 February 2020 - 06:14 PM

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I could cry this P43bis stock is so *$%*ing awful!! And I have no free XP left due to other things. This stock gun sucks SO bad I have given up and loaded out with HE - at least I can hit and cause SOME damage. I do get it - the usual WG thing of - its a different beast with the top gun but OMG the grind on this for that gun is going to drive me insane.

 

It's SO slow and the armour I cannot seem to make work ...its a freaking Pinata....

 

It's a good job I don't give a monkeys about stats, but this grind is really painful...



Pandabird #51 Posted 21 February 2020 - 10:03 AM

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I mean the tier 5 is subpar compared to the absolutely OP tier 4 with the 175 alpha gun, sure

 

But the tier 6? First game aced, 2850 damage. It's strong af. Incredible tank, almost a keeper if you asked me.

 

Sure, only a fool would do the stock grind on it, but tbh I think the tier 7 is worse than the tier 6, only compensation being the good engine.



Snaques #52 Posted 21 February 2020 - 02:44 PM

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View PostPandabird, on 21 February 2020 - 10:03 AM, said:

Sure, only a fool would do the stock grind on it, but tbh I think the tier 7 is worse than the tier 6, only compensation being the good engine.

You say "only", but IMHO engine (+terrain resist values) and gun handling are exactly the things that break the tier 6. Tier 7 has these issues fixed and is rather enjoyable.

 

I would take the tier 7 over 6 any day. 



Pandabird #53 Posted 21 February 2020 - 06:07 PM

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View PostSnaques, on 21 February 2020 - 03:44 PM, said:

You say "only", but IMHO engine (+terrain resist values) and gun handling are exactly the things that break the tier 6. Tier 7 has these issues fixed and is rather enjoyable.

 

I would take the tier 7 over 6 any day. 


the tier 7 is deffo the big stinker of the entire line. Same gun handling, same accuracy, same aimtime. Low pen, even worse dpm than the tier 6 with its top gun. And it faces 252Offenders and obj430 constantly

 

 

this still doesn't mean it's a bad tank though, just compared to other italians. And tier 7 is notoriously hard


Edited by Pandabird, 21 February 2020 - 08:09 PM.


djolltax #54 Posted 21 February 2020 - 07:27 PM

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View PostPandabird, on 21 February 2020 - 09:03 AM, said:

 

 

Sure, only a fool would do the stock grind on it, but tbh I think the tier 7 is worse than the tier 6, only compensation being the good engine.

 

Thanks.... no really - I'm no fool - I have NO free xp - clearly you did and given a choice I would free xp most of this ... but I don't.

 

Unfortunate? Yes... Fool - not really

 

Yes I think the tier 6 one of the better ones in this line but a lot of that depends on getting that 90mm. Literally double the damage per shot, and much better pen.



Snaques #55 Posted 22 February 2020 - 11:51 AM

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View PostPandabird, on 21 February 2020 - 06:07 PM, said:


the tier 7 is deffo the big stinker of the entire line. Same gun handling, same accuracy, same aimtime. Low pen, even worse dpm than the tier 6 with its top gun. And it faces 252Offenders and obj430 constantly

I don't really see this at all. Even in the poll the tier 7 is considered better than 5 and 6 tier to tier.

 

You get way better mobility, better gun handling (look at the soft stats), better pen,  more armor, 20m better view range and almost 400 more hp. That is a very significant buff. More than most of these copy paste tier 7s get.

 

I will make my further comments on the tier 7 in its own thread, but I really like it and people shouldn't be scared about it after the tier 6 fiasco.



Snaques #56 Posted 24 February 2020 - 12:01 AM

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Tier 7 vs Tier 6 encounter enroute to Pool's:

http://wotreplays.eu/site/5245968#stats

 

The hp pool is in itself already such a big differentiating factor between the two that I think the tier to tier winner is pretty evident.


Edited by Snaques, 25 February 2020 - 12:28 AM.


Kdingo #57 Posted 15 December 2020 - 10:03 PM

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Thought about grinding the Italien Line. The tier 5 was alright for what it is, but the tier 6 is a bit of a sick joke on me.

On paper it looks good, but the gun is just in full Trollolol mode, 0.36 acc and the amount of shoots that go nowhere near center is scary. And if this isn't bad in itself the shells feel like they are delivered with FedEx, 700m/s are disgusting, heck even full prem makes it hardly bearable.
The tank would be awesome 6 years ago, but in 2020 it's a pile of kakoo.

T34-85 or vk3002 still reign supreme.

Bordhaw #58 Posted 25 March 2021 - 10:51 PM

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Tier 5 P43 - 12 battles - 50% WR

 

Tier 6 P43 bis - 44 battles - 52%

 

Tier 7 P43 Ter - 39 battles - 64%


Edited by Bordhaw, 15 May 2021 - 11:32 AM.





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