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obj 268v4 nerf balancing wg are you fucking serious really?

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redblast #1 Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:07 AM

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This is the list of changes from Super TEST.. Who the hell works in the Balancing department at WG? Are you people serious? ALL you do with this changes is making the tank more frustranting to play while he still has that frontal armor.. WHY is  your obsession  with these OP frontal armor?  And don't give me that flanking crap you tell in every interview.  My guess is people at WG are working hard to annoy and enrage people.. the balancing departament should be renamed in  "Let's see how much we can annoy the people who pay us until they give up playing Departament"
The fixing for this tank should be.. increase the size of the weakspot on top of the tank.. make it double in size on lenght, not height  with maximum 200mm armor (remember  Matchmaking WG!!! this tank will  find tier VIII in random) and reduce his speed to 40km/h and 25km/h in reverse so  he can move to avoid getting shot in the weakspot. .. THERE problem solved!! people will have a chance to fight it while 268v4 can still be a good tank in the hands of a capable player. 
 
Changing the accuracy and mobility  of the vehicle will only enrage people who have the tank.. while the other players will encounter the same armor.. are you so blind!? I mean really are you so blind to see?  STOP MAKING OP FRONTAL ARMOR!!! insert weakspots considering ALL MATCHMAKING!  PLEASE STOP making dumb decisions that make WG like a money grabbing company. 

  • Aim time changed from 1.92 s to 2.4 s (2.21 s in the first ST iteration)
  • Changed the engine power from 1500 to 1350 HP
  • Power-to-weight ratio changed from 20 to 18 hp/t
  • Reduced reverse speed from 22 km/h to 20 km/h
  • Increased the bloom from moving and turning from 0.115 to 0.153 (0.144 in the first ST iteration)
  • Increased the bloom from moving and turning at maximum speed from 6.33 to 7.67 (7.91 in the first ST iteration)
  • Increased the bloom when turning the hull at max speed from 2.65 to 3.38 (3.31 in the first ST iteration)

Additionally:

  • Increased the gun moving bloom from 0.096 to 0.115
  • Reduced the HP from 2100 to 2000
  • Reduced the traverse speed from 23 °/s to 22 °/s
  • Decreased the maximum speed from 55 km/h to 50 km/h
  • Reduced the gun laying speed from 31.3 °/s to 29.2 °/s
  • Aim time changed from 1.92 s to 2.4 s (2.21 s in the first ST iteration)
  • Changed the engine power from 1500 to 1350 HP
  • Power-to-weight ratio changed from 20 to 18 hp/t
  • Reduced reverse speed from 22 km/h to 20 km/h
  • Increased the bloom from moving and turning from 0.115 to 0.153 (0.144 in the first ST iteration)
  • Increased the bloom from moving and turning at maximum speed from 6.33 to 7.67 (7.91 in the first ST iteration)
  • Increased the bloom when turning the hull at max speed from 2.65 to 3.38 (3.31 in the first ST iteration)

Additionally:

  • Increased the gun moving bloom from 0.096 to 0.115
  • Reduced the HP from 2100 to 2000
  • Reduced the traverse speed from 23 °/s to 22 °/s
  • Decreased the maximum speed from 55 km/h to 50 km/h
  • Reduced the gun laying speed from 31.3 °/s to 29.2 °/s

Edited by redblast, 21 May 2018 - 08:13 AM.


NoobySkooby #2 Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:13 AM

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Well if you get annoyed or enraged, for some light relief go play a TOG 2 or arty:trollface:

clixor #3 Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:14 AM

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According to armor patrol the cuppola goes from 252mm to 232mm. That's a HUGE change as it enables lower tiers to pen it more reliably. So i wouldn't say it doesnt have any frontal weakspots anymore.

redblast #4 Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:26 AM

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View Postclixor, on 21 May 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

According to armor patrol the cuppola goes from 252mm to 232mm. That's a HUGE change as it enables lower tiers to pen it more reliably. So i wouldn't say it doesnt have any frontal weakspots anymore.

 

Definition of weakspot.. Be able to pen without gold ammo.. 235 still requires RNG or golld ammo to pen.. and it's too freaking small.. that weakspot should have double the lenght and maximum 200mm of armor to be able to pen with tier VIII ..
 

View PostNoobySkooby, on 21 May 2018 - 09:13 AM, said:

Well if you get annoyed or enraged, for some light relief go play a TOG 2 or arty:trollface:

 

Well..when  I get into rage mode.. I play t92 or 261 and wait patientily for   players to insult me after the game in PM:))) 
 

lnfernaI #5 Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:28 AM

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I don't care,this broken garbage deserves all the nerfs it can get,maybe even to the state of being unplayable.

It completely ruins competitve play and random battles more-so.



redblast #6 Posted 21 May 2018 - 09:00 AM

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Another solution for WG would be to admit that this tank is totally broken and replace the tank 

Dorander #7 Posted 21 May 2018 - 09:03 AM

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View Postredblast, on 21 May 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

Another solution for WG would be to admit that this tank is totally broken and replace the tank 

 

That only happens to the Germans.

HundeWurst #8 Posted 21 May 2018 - 09:06 AM

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The only real nerf I see here is the aimtime nerf. The rest is pretty much not noticable....

 

Yet again WG nerfs something, instead of adressing the actual problems with the tank. The better nerf would have been a cupola nerf to what it is right now, but half the HP of the engine and reduce the silly backwards speed to 12km/h.

Then there would be this super heavily armored, braindead frontal assault tank, but you could run away from it and rather easily outmanouver it even on corridor maps. That would have been a good nerf and not the [edited]they are trying right now.


Edited by HundeWurst, 21 May 2018 - 09:12 AM.


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View PostDorander, on 21 May 2018 - 09:03 AM, said:

 

That only happens to the Germans.

 

And the french and the british

HundeWurst #10 Posted 21 May 2018 - 09:09 AM

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View PostAoishi, on 21 May 2018 - 09:06 AM, said:

 

And the french and the british

 

Well at least the British got the SC :D. That thing is stupid in its very own way.

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View PostAoishi, on 21 May 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

 

And the french and the british

 

I know the British had the top tier heavy and TD replaced but those tanks still exist in the game as premiums, they're just not accessible anymore. The WT Auf E100 as far as I know was completely deleted and replaced with the Grille 15 if you had it.

 

What did the French get replaced?



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View Postredblast, on 21 May 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

Another solution for WG would be to admit that this tank is totally broken and replace the tank 

 

​Never happen.

 

All you will get is "We listened to feedback da!"



Solstad1069 #13 Posted 21 May 2018 - 09:44 AM

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Problem is that WG changed that Russian TD line at all.

Obj 263 was doing just fine we never needed another tier 10.

 

With or without the 268v4 tier 10 gameplay is pure ebola anyway, filled with heat spamming mediums and TDs that blow you to h3ll as soon as you leave cover.

The maps in WOT are well balanced for tier 4-7 and best place to stay.



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View PostHundeWurst, on 21 May 2018 - 09:06 AM, said:

The only real nerf I see here is the aimtime nerf. The rest is pretty much not noticable....

 

Yet again WG nerfs something, instead of adressing the actual problems with the tank. The better nerf would have been a cupola nerf to what it is right now, but half the HP of the engine and reduce the silly backwards speed to 12km/h.

Then there would be this super heavily armored, braindead frontal assault tank, but you could run away from it and rather easily outmanouver it even on corridor maps. That would have been a good nerf and not the [edited]they are trying right now.

 

Increased the bloom from moving and turning from 0.115 to 0.153

Coupled with aimtime, this is significant nerf.

from shear numbers only, i assume this nerf from second iterration will be enough. also, 230mm viewport is good thing.

 

dont get me wrong, i would like to see 268v4 removed from the game completely. I dont care about it. i would like old263 back <3

 

but this multi-nerfs are not that small as a lot forumites recon. At least IMO.

 

Maus&Grille got few of those nerfs/buffs, across the stats... not big improvements stat by stat, but the change was big.

i think we will have same situation here.



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So they milked enough people from gold and free XP and can nerf it eventually? So now the people that are the most screwed are the ones who grinded 263 when the line was bad and instead of the tank they really wanted they get this now-most-likely-unplayable POS?

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All these nerfs will just make it little bit more awkward to play but it will remain nearly impossible to penetrate with the speed of medium which is what causes the main issue.

Edited by Junglist_, 22 May 2018 - 06:17 AM.


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Cant we just have the obj 263 back at tier10


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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 21 May 2018 - 10:08 AM, said:

So they milked enough people from gold and free XP and can nerf it eventually? So now the people that are the most screwed are the ones who grinded 263 when the line was bad and instead of the tank they really wanted they get this now-most-likely-unplayable POS?

 

one of the worst WG moves since i play wot.

I grinded WT auf E 100, and was on tier9, when they removed it. But that was ok and good choice.

 

263 line was hard. mediocre and bad tanks, since tierX, which was great and unique. And they removed it, so you stuck with this broken POS.
and i hope, soon, useless POS.



Artick_ #19 Posted 21 May 2018 - 10:27 AM

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Yeap , this tank will be unplayable.

 

i dont know why you ppl strugle to much on forum anyway.

Everythime i ace a tier X enemy he is shoting HEAT from beggining in 268 and most of them go trough.

 

If you are downhill you get pen in upplate

if you are uphill , they shot lowplate.

If you will face directly , they will pen copola now.

 

 

I want my tier X 263 back , This 268 will be crap, i will consider selling tier X 268v4 and get back 263 tier IX.. 

 

This game is crap. The supertest ppl that say this tank is ok to release in 1.0 , changed its mind after 2 month. Why is that?

 

 

263 got only lowplate as weakspot , and seems like nobody is complaining

 

Why? Because crapbots are like cows , folow each other , and when a #proplayer start to complain  ,everybody does.

 

I admit, this thing got some weird angles , but they consider make like Upplate stronger , and lowplate weaker , so atleast you can play something and rely on armor.

 

I dont that this game is not keeping historical aspects of the tank.

 

Like Maus . In history , maus got Turret armor 220 front , in game is 260.

 

Why people dont complain about maus ? They have to shot prem rounds in it.

 

you can flank  him you may say.

 

But when there are another 10 players on the flank , go flank the maus , see how fast u die

 

 

Also e100 152mm gun got more DPM than 128mm gun. Why crap would somebody play first gun?

 

Obj 430u Dont have any [edited]weakspots . NOT EVEN ONE except lowlate wich is 200mm ET.

And this crapdont get a nerf? Because #Proplayers dont complain about it , 7s reload for 440 alpha , and 340 heat pen GL.

How many 113 did you see in ClanWars , over the 430U?  5-100 probably.

 

 

 

This game is crap. Everytime a new tank is released , after 3 month it is nerfed.

 

WT E100 > Grilla 15 > after 3 month a new crap grilla 15 because again ppl complain about 10mm armor thick paper tank.

 

Feel free to coment.


Edited by Artick_, 21 May 2018 - 10:34 AM.


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Looks like it will be unfun to play and unfun to play against now. The gun doesn't need a nerf in my opinion, either the mobility or the armor does though.




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