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the_nebuchadnezzar #1 Posted 21 May 2018 - 05:25 PM

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So what's up with this? Played a few games today and there where only 2 tier 10 in both teams.I didn't read anything about it. Or I'm just too blind and missed IT?

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xx984 #2 Posted 21 May 2018 - 05:46 PM

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Its always been there, Possible to have 1 tier 10 per team as well. Its just very rare and happens when the MM cant find enough suitable people to make a regular 3/5/7 etc, can happen with 5/10 as well afaik, for example 4/11.

 

However there will never be more than 3 top tier tanks in 3/5/7 or 5 in 5/10 



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It happens, a common unusual template you also often see at T8 is the 3/3/9 template, with the 9 tanks being T8. Ludicrous when you are driving a Maus & MM graces you with Himmelsdorf: farmin' time!

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Enforcer1975 #4 Posted 21 May 2018 - 06:21 PM

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Tbh  2-4-9 wouldn't be bad when tier 10 is top tier since they have a lot of broken tanksin tier 9 and 10. More power to bottom tiers. 

Balc0ra #5 Posted 21 May 2018 - 06:22 PM

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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 21 May 2018 - 05:25 PM, said:

So what's up with this? Played a few games today and there where only 2 tier 10 in both teams.I didn't read anything about it. Or I'm just too blind and missed IT?

 

Anything in the current MM can differ with a factor of one. Just like your team can have an SPG, and the enemy team will have none.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 21 May 2018 - 06:22 PM, said:

 

Anything in the current MM can differ with a factor of one. Just like your team can have an SPG, and the enemy team will have none.

 

now that's rare! I have had plenty of 2-5-8 battles in the past weeks.

unfortunately most of the time the top tier were TD's.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 21 May 2018 - 07:22 PM, said:

 

Anything in the current MM can differ with a factor of one. Just like your team can have an SPG, and the enemy team will have none.

 

It can be more than one factor, but it can only go one way (except for the bottom tiers).

e.g. you can have a 1-3-11 but you can't have a 4-5-6.

 

Tank classes, yes, those can vary by 1, one way or the other, and not linked to tier.

e.g. you can have 1 arty per side and with different tiers, but you can't have 3 in one side and 1 in the other, regardless of tier.


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View PostPansenmann, on 21 May 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

 

now that's rare! I have had plenty of 2-5-8 battles in the past weeks.

unfortunately most of the time the top tier were TD's.

 

Depends on the TD i guess. If it's an E3 or 268/4 AND they don't snipe then you're golden. :)

dimcho_84 #9 Posted 26 May 2018 - 10:59 PM

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3/5/7 should be removed

2-5-8 , 2-4-9 , 2-3-10 , 2-2-11 ,

1-5-9 , 1-4-10 , 1-3-11 , 1-2-12 ,

5-10 , 4-11 , 3-12... all that is way better 



Pvt_Duffer #10 Posted 27 May 2018 - 01:41 AM

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View PostSpurtung, on 21 May 2018 - 11:20 PM, said:

 

e.g. you can have a 1-3-11 but you can't have a 4-5-6.

 

Shhhh, if you come up with ideas like that they'll have no excuse fro shafting PMMs

 

For deities sake, next you'll be suggesting that 4-6-5 would be okay, or reverting to +3 light tanks and something as dumb and random as 4-6-3-2.



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View PostPvt_Duffer, on 27 May 2018 - 02:41 AM, said:

next you'll be suggesting that 4-6-5 would be okay, or reverting to +3 light tanks and something as dumb and random as 4-6-3-2.

 

I won't.

I think priority should be single tier, followed by 5-10 and only then something +2/-2 like the 3-5-7 template. Problem for WG, as we can see in FL, is that mainly single tier matches wouldn't use enough premium rounds to keep milking the cow.



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3-3-9 also happens every so often as well. 

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View Postdimcho_84, on 26 May 2018 - 10:59 PM, said:

3/5/7 should be removed

2-5-8 , 2-4-9 , 2-3-10 , 2-2-11 ,

1-5-9 , 1-4-10 , 1-3-11 , 1-2-12 ,

5-10 , 4-11 , 3-12... all that is way better 

 

You clearly don't understand the issue with 3 toptiers. With ONLY 3 toptiers mm puts a lots of eggs in one basket. Or in other words, toptiers really need to carry their weight (and more). If you limit the amount of toptiers to a small(er) number, the chances are bigger that there is a mismatch between toptiers in both teams in terms of skill (and tank, think bobject vs grille).

 

If anything the amount of toptiers should be increased. Circon suggested something like 5/5/5 mm and i kinda like that idea as well.



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your MM will be definitely wrong untill you will not understand. Fair play MM comes, when you implement personal nr. into it, coz it is most important point of MM. If you will have one side "green" other "redyellows" your game will be frustrating for some part of players. Most surprising for me is, Im mostly (I watched it) on the weaker side of the battlefield. Seems, you have selection in it. Who pays, wins. Or Im wrong? I believe there will comes the time, and you will do this. After than, your game will be good. Now it isnt. And at that times...I will pay you more for premium. Untill that time, you will see no penny from me. Im not a fool which will pay for looses. 

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View Postdimcho_84, on 26 May 2018 - 09:59 PM, said:

3/5/7 should be removed

2-5-8 , 2-4-9 , 2-3-10 , 2-2-11 ,

1-5-9 , 1-4-10 , 1-3-11 , 1-2-12 ,

5-10 , 4-11 , 3-12... all that is way better 

 

nope its not as it increase the dependency of the games outcome on the toptier players quality. actually they should make it a 7/5/3 as it doesent matter if you cant pen one of three or one of seven toptier tanks in your lowtier tank frontally on the corridor maps we have.

but you would be much more often toptiert aswell enabling you to actually become meaningfull.



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View Postxx984, on 21 May 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

Its always been there, Possible to have 1 tier 10 per team as well. Its just very rare and happens when the MM cant find enough suitable people to make a regular 3/5/7 etc, can happen with 5/10 as well afaik, for example 4/11.

 

However there will never be more than 3 top tier tanks in 3/5/7 or 5 in 5/10

 

 


 

Yup and it's still better than the old MM which threw up 1 x T10, 1 x T9 then all tier 8s.



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The lower the amount of top-tier tanks, the worse it gets. 5 top tier tanks minimum pls. 5-5-5 or 5-10. 7-8 could work too. This of course would fit better with +-1 tier MM... It's the tier spread that makes it bad, +-2 tier MM needs to go.

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5-10 should be the default template, if that can't be made full same-tier MM should be second. 3-5-7 should be the absolute last ditch resort.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 06 June 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

5-10 should be the default template, if that can't be made full same-tier MM should be second. 3-5-7 should be the absolute last ditch resort.

 

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No problems with 5-10 when i am one of the 5 half the time which is the problem we are facing right now.

3-5-7 would be ok for most players if they could be top tier more than 20% or what the number was. 

It's funny though that they forget how bad the old MM was since we also regularly saw whine threads about being one of the not even handful or even being the only bottom tier in 3 tier games...



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View Postxx984, on 21 May 2018 - 08:16 PM, said:

Its always been there, Possible to have 1 tier 10 per team as well. Its just very rare and happens when the MM cant find enough suitable people to make a regular 3/5/7 etc, can happen with 5/10 as well afaik, for example 4/11.

 

However there will never be more than 3 top tier tanks in 3/5/7 or 5 in 5/10 

 

My problem has never been the tiers but the ability to dmg the enemy. if those top tiers are paper tanks then its not a huge problem. but if Im in a tier 8 med and those tier 9 and 10s are Maus,E100,IS7,Obj257,Mauschen,V4 and etc then no matter what I cant dmg them and flanking is pretty much out of the equation cause enemy tanks are on all flanks and cant flank those heavily armored ones without killing all the tanks on the other flank and for some wierd reason most of the time 2 things happen:

1) no body cares about that flank and everyone goes where the superheavies are even those tier 8 scouts go there

2) those top tier tanks are either stat farmers or Heaviums that go to medium flank instead of heavies flank and you are screwed both ways. 

Its true that both Skorp G and Defender are OP but you dont see many people complain about Skorp G cause it can be hurt. Not so true about Defender. Its the same case about tier 10 tanks. They all have Firepower advantage to tier 8 tanks but if a T8 can hurt them then its not that big of a problem. and if we cant hurt them and at the same time we have a bad team(which is 80% of time to say the least) then we are really screwed







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