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tankqull #1 Posted 24 May 2018 - 01:02 PM

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Tier 8s are not fvcked enough!

 

to reason my statement take a look on their own publication in regards of preferential MMing:

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the red part is the interesting issue: tier 8 tanks with pmm hoard T9 tanks wich in return are no longer available for the 3-5-7 MM for t10 to all dominate, forcing quite a number of t10 into t10 only battles. allowing T8 atleast from time to time due to the lack of t9 tanks thanks to preferential tanks be top tier or atleast in a 30 t8 tank match.

with these intended changes what will happen?

the few times you currently be toptier in a T8 tank will fade even further in numbers becomming even more of the famrcows or as WG likes to call them "hello little fellas!" for t10 and 9s as they are now.

 

this entire article makes it obviously how blantant ignorant WG is. they have allready realized that the 3-5-7 mm was nothing but a horrible flaw but instead of fixing it they intend to make even worse?!

 

what the [edited]WG?

 



Captain_Kremen0 #2 Posted 24 May 2018 - 01:03 PM

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Why make a new thread?

It's an old whinge now

 



Balc0ra #3 Posted 24 May 2018 - 01:19 PM

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So you are saying tier 8 pref MM tanks are not played much, or at all anymore because it's good as it is now? Some, inc me welcome this change. I would rather play my IS-6 with +2 and have a chance of penning even tier 8 HT's. Then having to go the medium line all the time with it now.. even in equal tier games. Cus you can't pen anything anyway. As any pen to allow it to keep the pref MM.. would not be enough to make me play it more anyway. 

Edited by Balc0ra, 24 May 2018 - 01:19 PM.


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Well, the question is how much the MM priorizes 3-5-7 over 5-10. Because the T9 tanks bound by T8 SMM battles are also missing for T10 5-10 battles, so more T10 tanks are forced into the 3-5-7 template.

 

Not that it will make a huge difference either way, and it's gonna take many months if not years to fully eliminate SMM tanks.



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Hey OP, would you prefer WG heavily prioritise the main queue first and then form any games with the leftovers? That would sort WGs problem with the MM queue and your PMM tank could stay as it is now, you just get the extra queue time waiting for games.

Sirebellus #6 Posted 24 May 2018 - 02:40 PM

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Personally I can't wait for them to 'balance' all PMM tanks... I really want to know how they will balance the TOG to take on Defenders and O-Hos...

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View Posttankqull, on 24 May 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

the red part is the interesting issue: tier 8 tanks with pmm hoard T9 tanks wich in return are no longer available for the 3-5-7 MM for t10 to all dominate, forcing quite a number of t10 into t10 only battles. allowing T8 atleast from time to time due to the lack of t9 tanks thanks to preferential tanks be top tier or atleast in a 30 t8 tank match.

 

 

I'd say you have that about right - change is aimed at making Tier X more attractive.  Their MM algorithm must be a bit dodgy though to allow a few PMM tanks to cause this issue and as I recall Tier X was okay before they changed to this matchmaker anyway.

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And letting pmm tanks being top tier in that 3:5:7 is ofc not an option.  Players just might enjoy themselves too much :)

Kozzy #9 Posted 24 May 2018 - 02:53 PM

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Erm.. WG haven't actually tried to hide that reason and you are quoting it like you're blowing the lid off some huge international scandal?

 

To be clear, WG have said, on more than one occasion, that pref MM tanks do screw up the MM for regular tanks, this is no secret.  3/5/7 has just highlighted the issue even further; i.e. "OMG my T8 tank gets put into 70% T10 games" etc...


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malachi6 #10 Posted 24 May 2018 - 02:56 PM

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So just another MM whine?  Not seen one of those before.

8126Jakobsson #11 Posted 24 May 2018 - 02:57 PM

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I thought the true reason was to sell a whole bunch of remade tanks. Because profit.

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View PostGeno1isme, on 24 May 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

Well, the question is how much the MM priorizes 3-5-7 over 5-10. Because the T9 tanks bound by T8 SMM battles are also missing for T10 5-10 battles, so more T10 tanks are forced into the 3-5-7 template.

 

Not that it will make a huge difference either way, and it's gonna take many months if not years to fully eliminate SMM tanks.

 

This guy gets it.:popcorn:

HidesHisFace #13 Posted 24 May 2018 - 03:03 PM

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The thing is, the explanation of WG does not hold up AT ALL.

 

First of all - if preferential MM prems hoard tier 9, that means that BEING BOTTOM TIER is the default position - the MM is deliberately trying to screw you over - so much for solution that is "better for everyone". This is confirmed further by situation on tier 6, where pref. MM premiums are RARE.

According to data I've collected last year:

For tier 6, you land bottom tier 55% of the time (36% against tier 8, nearly 19 against tier 7).

For tier 7, you land bottom tier 41,6% of the time (again 36% against tier 9)

For tier 8, you land nearly 74% time at the bottom (40,5 against tier 10, and 33,3% against 9)

 

The problem is the template system itself - 3/5/7 template is prioritised before 5/10 and 15, and this means that MM HAS TO pull far more bottom tiers than top tiers - hence greater chances of landing at the bottom. Pref. MM prems are just a scapegoat to hide the flaws of the system that is botched because of the very basic principle.

Now, because most of the pref. MM tanks were screwed hard by template system (and NOT the other way around), and are forced to land mostly against tier 9 tanks and they are almost NEVER top tier anymore and are primary victims to powercreep, they bring no profit to WG.

Now, WG no longer does pref. MM prems. But by "buffing" the old premiums under the guise of fixing the MM, they give themselves excuse to "fix" the powercreep issues and to SELL THEM AGAIN without wasting resources on new models - let's face it, tweaking the numbers on pre-existing vehicles is massively cheaper than making a new tank from scrap.

 

Where they messed up are piss poor excuse for doing so, and anti-consumer compensation they proposed - "don't like it? give us MORE MONEY and get something else" style Russian refund.

 

 


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View PostKozzy, on 24 May 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

To be clear, WG have said, on more than one occasion, that pref MM tanks do screw up the MM for regular tanks, this is no secret.  3/5/7 has just highlighted the issue even further; i.e. "OMG my T8 tank gets put into 70% T10 games" etc...

 

That's because they are so adamant on keeping the 3-5-7 template at higher priority and having an unregulated MM system (for lack of a better term, meaning ones placement in templates over x nr of battles).

 

So the question then becomes, from which direction do you want to look at it? The direction of PMM's being at fault or the template MM system lacking vital tweaking and features?



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View PostSirebellus, on 24 May 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

Personally I can't wait for them to 'balance' all PMM tanks... I really want to know how they will balance the TOG to take on Defenders and O-Hos...

 

They will give it another 200 HP and consider it job done....

Kozzy #16 Posted 24 May 2018 - 04:21 PM

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View PostGkirmathal, on 24 May 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

 

That's because they are so adamant on keeping the 3-5-7 template at higher priority and having an unregulated MM system (for lack of a better term, meaning ones placement in templates over x nr of battles).

 

So the question then becomes, from which direction do you want to look at it? The direction of PMM's being at fault or the template MM system lacking vital tweaking and features?

 

My point of view is that it is WG's greed (or, to be fair, their business's desire/need to make money) that is at 'fault'.

 

3/5/7 is not in itself the problem - the problem is, as others have said, in 3/5/7 being the top priority.  5/10 should be top and then 15 and THEN 3/5/7, in my opinion.  Or, even better, ditch +/-2 MM and just get on with +/-1 and sort a whole host of problems with one fell swoop.


Edited by Kozzy, 24 May 2018 - 04:21 PM.


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View Posttankqull, on 24 May 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

Tier 8s are not fvcked enough!

 

to reason my statement take a look on their own publication in regards of preferential MMing:

Posted Image

 

the red part is the interesting issue: tier 8 tanks with pmm hoard T9 tanks wich in return are no longer available for the 3-5-7 MM for t10 to all dominate, forcing quite a number of t10 into t10 only battles. allowing T8 atleast from time to time due to the lack of t9 tanks thanks to preferential tanks be top tier or atleast in a 30 t8 tank match.

with these intended changes what will happen?

the few times you currently be toptier in a T8 tank will fade even further in numbers becomming even more of the famrcows or as WG likes to call them "hello little fellas!" for t10 and 9s as they are now.

 

this entire article makes it obviously how blantant ignorant WG is. they have allready realized that the 3-5-7 mm was nothing but a horrible flaw but instead of fixing it they intend to make even worse?!

 

what the [edited]WG?

 

 

You do realise that those T9s will also help to form 5/10 Battles with T10s, right?

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It's the MM template that [edited]crapup, not the pref mm tanks

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 24 May 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

I thought the true reason was to sell a whole bunch of remade tanks. Because profit.

 

This. But it's a "two birds with one stone" kind of situation. Maybe even 3 or 4 birds since they were aware of an uproar it would cause and they still went for it.

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View Posttankqull, on 24 May 2018 - 12:02 PM, said:

Tier 8s are not fvcked enough!

 

to reason my statement take a look on their own publication in regards of preferential MMing:

Posted Image

 

the red part is the interesting issue: tier 8 tanks with pmm hoard T9 tanks wich in return are no longer available for the 3-5-7 MM for t10 to all dominate, forcing quite a number of t10 into t10 only battles. allowing T8 atleast from time to time due to the lack of t9 tanks thanks to preferential tanks be top tier or atleast in a 30 t8 tank match.

with these intended changes what will happen?

the few times you currently be toptier in a T8 tank will fade even further in numbers becomming even more of the famrcows or as WG likes to call them "hello little fellas!" for t10 and 9s as they are now.

 

this entire article makes it obviously how blantant ignorant WG is. they have allready realized that the 3-5-7 mm was nothing but a horrible flaw but instead of fixing it they intend to make even worse?!

 

what the [edited]WG?

 

 

No, they are blaming preferential MM premium Tier 8 tanks for breaking the MM. Which is wrong.

 

That's like blaming your car for moving forwards because it has wheels. 






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