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Vule777 #1 Posted 26 May 2018 - 03:58 AM

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Just played with Amx30, i bumped on T49, I hit him once, he head on me, I start to drive back because I saw that he want to ramm me and he did, he ramm me frontal and took me 156 hp and killed me, I took him 71 hp on that ramm. Is that normal to you?

 



unhappy_bunny #2 Posted 26 May 2018 - 04:07 AM

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Nope. Not normal at all. He should have done much more damage to you.

 

Seriously, look up the mechanics in the wiki. 

All sorts of things can contribute to ramming damage.

The weight of the tanks involved, the speed of each tank, the crew, the equipment. They all play a part in determining the outcome of a ram. 



Vule777 #3 Posted 26 May 2018 - 04:12 AM

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He would took me more if I had more. :D

 

But that was tier 9 light against tier 9 medium who drive in reverse so he didn't have full impact, and in frontal ram at least I could took him more.


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Without knowing the point of impact on both vehicles it's impossible to know if it's normal or not.

 

What the wiki says:

Spoiler

 

In theory a heavier tank like the amx should suffer less damage when ramming a lighter tank like the t49.  However, it depends on the relative armour of the 2 vehicles at the point of impact as highlighted in bold above.

 

replay?



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View PostVule777, on 26 May 2018 - 02:58 AM, said:

Just played with Amx30, i bumped on T49, I hit him once, he head on me, I start to drive back because I saw that he want to ramm me and he did, he ramm me frontal and took me 156 hp and killed me, I took him 71 hp on that ramm. Is that normal to you?

 

 

He could have the "controled impact" skill on his driver, it reduces the dmg taken by him in the ram and increases the enemy's dmg taken.

T49 is a light but it is also a bulky light so yeah, it is possible.



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View Posttank276, on 26 May 2018 - 08:01 AM, said:

 

He could have the "controled impact" skill on his driver, it reduces the dmg taken by him in the ram and increases the enemy's dmg taken.

T49 is a light but it is also a bulky light so yeah, it is possible.

 

I have my old chaffee race crew currently on the M41 Bulldoge, (but the T49 researched.)

During the chaffee race I chose "impact" skill and mounted small spall liner for extra ramming damage :)



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View PostPansenmann, on 26 May 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

 

I have my old chaffee race crew currently on the M41 Bulldoge, (but the T49 researched.)

During the chaffee race I chose "impact" skill and mounted small spall liner for extra ramming damage :)

 

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View PostPansenmann, on 26 May 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

 

I have my old chaffee race crew currently on the M41 Bulldoge, (but the T49 researched.)

During the chaffee race I chose "impact" skill and mounted small spall liner for extra ramming damage :)

 

Currently have exactly that setup on my VK16.02

Great little rammer - love surprising Tier VI with the amount of damage I take from them:izmena:



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Best way to absorb ramming damage as a soft tank is to use your tracks. This is because ram damage is treated as a HE damage mechanic. Tracks are treated as spaced armor, so they can absorb a good deal of ramming damage potential.

 

Spamhamster linked a very informative section about ramming damage calculations & from that, it leads that normally the T49 should get more damage then you in the situation you described. But as the point of impact is very important in determining the damage, it can be he rammed you with the tracks first (T49 tracks are as long as the tank), he could have absorbed alot of the ram damage calculated for him.

Spall liner equipment helps, but imo, I really don't think the T49 has it equipped, it would be silly.

 

Skills also matter. Controlled impact makes a big difference on ramming, so if he has that, it could also explain the damage difference. I got it on the KV-4 & the amount of high damage rams that I can dish out with only scratches in return is great. Especially hilarious when folks go *Imma ram that KV-4!* Please do, free damage/kills is always neat!

 

KV-4 always has right of way

 

In short, ram mechanics are fun. Learn the basics & you too can have great fun with it


Edited by UrQuan, 26 May 2018 - 07:11 PM.


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View PostUrQuan, on 26 May 2018 - 09:42 AM, said:

 

Skills also matter. Controlled impact makes a big difference on ramming, so if he ahs that, it could also explain the damage difference. I got it on the KV-4 & the amount of high damage rams that I can dish out with only scratches in return is great. Especially hilarious when folks go 'Imma ram that KV-4!* Please do, free damage/kills is always neat!

 

I love that skill. Have it on both my E50 and E50M and it great. Went full throttle down the hill on Himmelsdorf once in my E50M and parked it into a T-54 who was climbing up the hill. Rammed him for 1248 damage.

Vule777 #11 Posted 26 May 2018 - 11:17 AM

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View Postspamhamstar, on 26 May 2018 - 05:18 AM, said:

 

 

replay?

 

I wasn't shine here, phone in one hand...so don't judge. :)

http://wotreplays.eu...0_1er_prototype

 



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View PostJumping_TurtIe, on 26 May 2018 - 09:13 AM, said:

 

I love that skill. Have it on both my E50 and E50M and it great. Went full throttle down the hill on Himmelsdorf once in my E50M and parked it into a T-54 who was climbing up the hill. Rammed him for 1248 damage.

 

Spall Liner as well?

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 26 May 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

 

Spall Liner as well?

 

Don't even think so. Quality is terrible since I took a quick vid with my phone but here it is :

 



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View PostJumping_TurtIe, on 26 May 2018 - 01:59 PM, said:

 

Don't even think so. Quality is terrible since I took a quick vid with my phone but here it is :

 

 

Nicely done sir.

Nicely done indeed.:honoring:



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He could have had the driver skill to take less and do more ramming damage, and even a spall liner. That and it ofc also depends on where you do said ramming damage, as in where his armor did impact yours etc. As the 50B will do way more at times due to the armor line that connects the upper and lower plate that hits first that has more armor on a head on ram, vs if the same target rammed his rear plate head on. 

 

 


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View PostVule777, on 26 May 2018 - 03:58 AM, said:

he ramm me frontal and took me 156 hp and killed me, I took him 71 hp on that ramm. Is that normal to you?

 

I can't for the life of me understand what this means.

 

Did he take 156 HP of damage from you, or did you take it from him? Same for the 71 HP, did he take it from you or you took it from him? Who dealt what damage? If you weren't using that stupid mod over the regular vanilla client's perfectly functioning damage counter I wouldn't have to ask such stupid questions.

 

I'm gonna take it like this; if he dealt 71 HP to you and killed you, that means you were on 71 HP before he rammed you, right? And you say he took 156 HP of damage from ramming you...

 

The answer is so obvious it's not even funny. - If you are in, say, an AMX 13 90, and you're on full HP, and you ram another AMX 13 90 which is on, say, 10 HP, head-on at full speed, you will only do 10 damage to him, and kill him. BUT you will take MUCH more damage in return, equivalent to the amount of damage you would have taken even if he had enough HP to survive the ram. Let's say this is around 500-or-so HP of damage.

 

TL;DR - No TLDR for you, read what I wrote. :izmena:



Vule777 #17 Posted 26 May 2018 - 05:26 PM

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I posted a replay.

 

Spoiler

 


Edited by Vule777, 26 May 2018 - 05:32 PM.


Vule777 #18 Posted 26 May 2018 - 05:48 PM

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If I wasn't clear enough.

 

 

 

OMG I just saw on replay, I took him more than 300 on ram.

 

OK, I am officially IDIOT.:trollface::D

 

 

You can spam now, sry.

 


Edited by Vule777, 26 May 2018 - 05:53 PM.


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Thanks for the vid, it shows that the ram-mechanism is consistent, you dished out more damage then him in that ram. Hard to see, but seems you did 288 Hp damage

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View PostUrQuan, on 26 May 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

Thanks for the vid, it shows that the ram-mechanism is consistent, you dished out more damage then him in that ram. Hard to see, but seems you did 288 Hp damage

 

Yup I just saw on video and as I said, I'm an idiot.:P

 

If I saw right I ram him twice (or he ram himself) in that moment, second time he lost 71 hp so that confused me.


Edited by Vule777, 26 May 2018 - 06:01 PM.





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