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Bulldog_Drummond #1 Posted 27 May 2018 - 01:29 PM

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It took me about 5 years to get a reward tank, namely the StuG IV, as I ignored the missions and one day it arrived by surprise.  I was a bit hesitant about it at first as everyone on the Forum say the StuG IV is rubbish.  To my surprise I find that I get 58% wins in the StuG IV compared to 51% in the StuG IIIG.  Fluke?  Or does the +1 PMM help?  One does wonder how the IV could be "perfected" other than by turning ito the IIIG.

CircleOfSorrow #2 Posted 27 May 2018 - 01:33 PM

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I think it is a combination of PMM and that the Stug III is not quite the beast it used to be.  I should try it again with the improved coverage on maps, but after the general TD nerf and bush killing spree I lost interest and sold it.  I am sure it isn't going to be as much fun as it was in the original magic forest though :/

Bulldog_Drummond #3 Posted 27 May 2018 - 01:55 PM

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 27 May 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

I think it is a combination of PMM and that the Stug III is not quite the beast it used to be. I should try it again with the improved coverage on maps, but after the general TD nerf and bush killing spree I lost interest and sold it. I am sure it isn't going to be as much fun as it was in the original magic forest though :/

 

Ah, the Magic Forest.  What fun that was.

Balc0ra #4 Posted 27 May 2018 - 02:01 PM

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 27 May 2018 - 01:29 PM, said:

To my surprise I find that I get 58% wins in the StuG IV compared to 51% in the StuG IIIG.  Fluke?  Or does the +1 PMM help?  One does wonder how the IV could be "perfected" other than by turning ito the IIIG.

 

I actually like it. I had a bad start in it, but It's grown on me. Perfect counter for the Swedish tier 5 TD by simply turning the hull to the side a bit at an angle when he is aiming at you at close range etc. And does the +1 MM help? Yes and no. He has pref MM due to the gun, and it's the gun that can hold it back at times, even when top tier. As it's the same as the Pz III/IV top gun with 110 pen, minus the turret and the luxury to flank. It's not always ideal. But it still works fine. If had the Stug III gun, or something like it. It would be way better even with +2 As the normal stug still works great in +2... As it more or less has the E25 gun two tiers down. Tho I'm willing to bet that IF it gets its pref MM removed. It will be a Stug III with skirts. If they had the stronger engine too that is.

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HidesHisFace #5 Posted 27 May 2018 - 02:08 PM

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Well, StuG IV has a preferential MM (question is... for how long) and it really needs it because of low penetration.

But in general comparison they are still rather similar machines:

StuG III has very solid gun BUT - it can meet tier VII (gun is still sufficient for this) but is held back by very low ammo capacity - 36 rounds with rather low alpha damage is BAD NEWS.

StuG IV has 110mm pen, which is okay for a med, bad for TD but is still perfectly playable on tier V, and the 61 rounds of ammo gives you more flexibility.

 

In terms of gun handling - IV has worse gun angles and depression and slightly worse accuracy BUT far better soft stats on the gun, which works in the favour of this machine.

 

StuG III is far more mobile. IV has better terrain resistances but abysmal hp/t ratio, which means you have to stick to more strict TD style. 

 

Armour-wise, they are virtually identical.



Balc0ra #6 Posted 27 May 2018 - 02:50 PM

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View PostHidesHisFace, on 27 May 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

Well, StuG IV has a preferential MM (question is... for how long) and it really needs it because of low penetration.

 

Well most say it's bad due to the gun. And I would like it more if it had a more beefy gun with +2 MM, vs the gun it has now and +1. Tho ofc, some like it as is.

 

View PostHidesHisFace, on 27 May 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

StuG III has very solid gun BUT - it can meet tier VII (gun is still sufficient for this) but is held back by very low ammo capacity - 36 rounds with rather low alpha damage is BAD NEWS.

 

Yes and no. It's the same gun as the E25 that sees tier 8. So the gun works fine IMO, that and you can mount the derp on it. Tho the low ammo can be an issue in +2. Just like the alpha on the E25 is not ideal if the HP pool on the target becomes too big. And why I don't see the E25 working with +2 vs 2K HP targets, even with a massive pen buff.


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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 27 May 2018 - 01:29 PM, said:

It took me about 5 years to get a reward tank, namely the StuG IV, as I ignored the missions and one day it arrived by surprise.  I was a bit hesitant about it at first as everyone on the Forum say the StuG IV is rubbish.  To my surprise I find that I get 58% wins in the StuG IV compared to 51% in the StuG IIIG.  Fluke?  Or does the +1 PMM help?  One does wonder how the IV could be "perfected" other than by turning ito the IIIG.

 

of course you play it full gold?

Totieso #8 Posted 27 May 2018 - 05:40 PM

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StugIIIG has a 105mm gun. End of discussion

HassenderZerhacker #9 Posted 27 May 2018 - 05:45 PM

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View PostTotieso, on 27 May 2018 - 05:40 PM, said:

StugIIIG has a 105mm gun. End of discussion

 

and then you realize... StuG IIIB has it at tier 4...

*hihihi* (evil giggling)



Totieso #10 Posted 27 May 2018 - 06:18 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 27 May 2018 - 05:45 PM, said:

 

and then you realize... StuG IIIB has it at tier 4...

*hihihi* (evil giggling)

 

I know but they are discussing about tier 5



Bulldog_Drummond #11 Posted 27 May 2018 - 08:10 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 27 May 2018 - 04:32 PM, said:

 

of course you play it full gold?

 

Actually I find standard AP fine for most shots

SirDixie #12 Posted 27 May 2018 - 08:15 PM

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It's 1 better (or I better if you prefer) :P

 

 

I find it's alright, but not great and certainly not up to the standard of the StuG III.






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