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TiMeK1ll3r #1 Posted 28 May 2018 - 03:52 PM

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Hi guys, i noticed from a bit of time that every single time i play my Obj 257 against an italian tank I almost always get penetrated.

Now, that would be totally fine if you don't take into consideration the conditions of those pens.

I don't actually have a replay or screenshot to confirm that unluckily but listen up please.

I am kinda good with the Obj 257, i am a beast at sidescraping and i use it in reverse sidescrape because it is more effective, and i bounce almost every gun (if under the 3 cal. rule) almost every single time, but from a while i was a bit disappointed about always getting penetrated by Progetto's and such italian tanks under any angle.

Even in city maps with the perfect angle, i was in the condition to bounce tier X tanks with no problem at all, but then this crazy guy in his tier VIII Progetto 46 joined them and shot me from the same angle in the same spot and he penetrated without premium shells like my angled side armor was made of butter.

I don't get it, am i missing something special about italian guns or is it some kind of unknown bug that noone was aware about?

 

This kind of things happen way too often and always when i am facing italian tanks, how is that possible that only italian guns are able to negate a perfectly sidescraping tank's armor?

 

Sorry if it looked line a whine, but it's not. It's purely an observation and i am curious about why it keeps happening

 



Soifon99 #2 Posted 28 May 2018 - 04:05 PM

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RNG and a player who knows where to shoot.

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wremise #3 Posted 28 May 2018 - 04:05 PM

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The Pope lives in Italy, so they have better RNG-.Jesus

Balc0ra #4 Posted 28 May 2018 - 04:06 PM

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Thing with that tank is, when your side is auto bounce, the front angle might be auto pen. So vs some with knowledge. It's not a 100% a sure thing when you back up to fire.  And when you angle the side towards them around a corner. The effective armor is better the further back they hit. But on a high roll.. even the 212 pen gun on the tier 8 still have a chance at the front hull when you back up. They have zero chance on the side, but 40% on the front hull, and even more the lower down they go or can see. Or even the cupola if they are lucky. As even with 212 pen part of that is 100% at any angle. Tho a small narrow line to hit. 

 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 28 May 2018 - 04:07 PM.


Dava_117 #5 Posted 28 May 2018 - 04:08 PM

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Italians tanks looks quite accurate and, being the most recent tech tree added, are played a lot. I'm quite sure in few months you will find out other tanks with comparable pen and accuracy pen you (or more likely, not penning you because you get better at using 257). ;)


Edited by Dava_117, 28 May 2018 - 04:09 PM.


TiMeK1ll3r #6 Posted 28 May 2018 - 04:27 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 28 May 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

Thing with that tank is, when your side is auto bounce, the front angle might be auto pen. So vs some with knowledge. It's not a 100% a sure thing when you back up to fire.  And when you angle the side towards them around a corner. The effective armor is better the further back they hit. But on a high roll.. even the 212 pen gun on the tier 8 still have a chance at the front hull when you back up. They have zero chance on the side, but 40% on the front hull, and even more the lower down they go or can see. Or even the cupola if they are lucky. As even with 212 pen part of that is 100% at any angle. Tho a small narrow line to hit. 

 

 

 

As i said i found it's far more reliable to reverse sidescrape, exactly bacause of what you said just now, so i don't have the problem with the front hull being penetrated.

And no, i don't show the back of the tank at all when i am reverse sidescraping.

That's exactly why it sounds strange to me, since as you guys sid it should be an auto bounce



Enforcer1975 #7 Posted 28 May 2018 - 04:33 PM

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It's the same with the IS-3 etc...only works best the worse the player is. 

Nishi_Kinuyo #8 Posted 28 May 2018 - 04:35 PM

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1250 blocked per game is considered "beastly good" for the Obyekt 257? :confused:

Also, maybe this is the issue:

Spoiler

 


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 28 May 2018 - 04:36 PM.


_Sensation_ #9 Posted 28 May 2018 - 04:43 PM

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Can be because TX tanks maybe fired heat which get absorbed anyways by tracks. So maybe your sidescrape isnt as good as you think and normal rounds will just pen it. Screenshot or replay would be nice

Cannes76 #10 Posted 28 May 2018 - 05:04 PM

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Enable replay capture. How hard can it be?

pecopad #11 Posted 28 May 2018 - 05:10 PM

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My suspicion is that the pen and accuracy values on the projecto are bugged, at least that's my feeling when I play against them.

 

Its the most accurate tier 8 tank, and nr. 11 penetration,which is odd considering the  large amount of players,and the dispersion and penetration values...

 



peekakilla #12 Posted 28 May 2018 - 05:16 PM

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plot twist;

 

WG leadership is formed by a secret italian mafia family :ohmy:



Sfinski #13 Posted 28 May 2018 - 05:23 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 28 May 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

1250 blocked per game is considered "beastly good" for the Obyekt 257? :confused:

Also, maybe this is the issue:

Spoiler

 

 

Too little angle, try this:

 


Edited by Sfinski, 28 May 2018 - 05:23 PM.


TiMeK1ll3r #14 Posted 28 May 2018 - 05:56 PM

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Fact is that the tank side armor is kinda randomly bouncing because of the V shape of the hull, so sometimes you get bounced even if you are at a 90° angle compared to your enemy.

As the guy above says, overangling it is the most effective way to use it and is a good way to trick your opponent into doing an easy penetration.

 

It's kinda strange to me that only italian medium tanks are able to negate it so easily and without any effort at all, while at the same time i have no problem defeating E-75 guns and suchs by overexposing my sides.

 

And btw 1250 isn't so good but you know, getting used to the tank isn't easy and it takes a bit of time, so it's normal that stats are low if you include the first games.



anonym_uktlgGKuDbuG #15 Posted 28 May 2018 - 07:30 PM

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Instead of weakspots they added weaknesses to certain nations. Italian tanks get a 50% pen bonus vs your Obj 257.



TiMeK1ll3r #16 Posted 28 May 2018 - 07:41 PM

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View PostTr0gledyte, on 28 May 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

Instead of weakspots they added weaknesses to certain nations. Italian tanks get a 50% pen bonus vs your Obj 257.

 

LOL nice one, thought you were serious for a sec.

But really, it could be a bug like: if you are in an Obj 257 and you face specific tanks with a specific gun / penetration, the effective value of the V shaped hull armor is less than it should be..

 

Maybe it's just my wrong impression or maybe it's an actual bug, but i just tried to understand the reason behind it since i couldn't find one

 

 

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anonym_uktlgGKuDbuG #17 Posted 28 May 2018 - 08:30 PM

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View PostTiMeK1ll3r, on 28 May 2018 - 07:41 PM, said:

 

LOL nice one, thought you were serious for a sec.

But really, it could be a bug like: if you are in an Obj 257 and you face specific tanks with a specific gun / penetration, the effective value of the V shaped hull armor is less than it should be..

 

Maybe it's just my wrong impression or maybe it's an actual bug, but i just tried to understand the reason behind it since i couldn't find one

 

 

 

It's not a bug. The Obj 257 has a really weak LFP meaning you're actually better off literally facing your opponent sideways, but even then they can pen you with over 200 pen. As long as they don't shoot the tracks.

 

EDIT: The side is "only" 190mm above the tracks.


Edited by Tr0gledyte, 28 May 2018 - 08:31 PM.


TankkiPoju #18 Posted 29 May 2018 - 06:56 AM

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View Postwremise, on 28 May 2018 - 04:05 PM, said:

The Pope lives in Italy, so they have better RNG-.Jesus

 

Akhtually, Pope lives in Vatican.

 

 



marlboro80 #19 Posted 29 May 2018 - 07:25 AM

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Where can you look up how much you bounce?

OneSock #20 Posted 29 May 2018 - 09:33 AM

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I have noticed something similar but not been able to get a grip on it.

 

I wonder is it maybe a penetration over distance thing ? I know certain AP does not lose much pen over longer distances. STA for example. maybe this is similar ?






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