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hasnainrakha57 #1 Posted 28 May 2018 - 06:47 PM

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It still has beats armour they nerfed only the hatch it still gets beast armour for both  lower plate.But in picture they showed that they nerfed the armour for lower plate.Wtf they fool us?.u still need gold ammo to pen it for tier 8s.Fck this game.fck u wot just make the armour like other tier 10 TDs.

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peekakilla #2 Posted 28 May 2018 - 06:56 PM

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noob, just take out your TVP VTU and flank them :trollface:

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 28 May 2018 - 06:47 PM, said:

It still has beats armour they nerfed only the hatch it still gets beast armour for both  lower plate.But in picture they showed that they nerfed the armour for lower plate.Wtf they fool us?.u still need gold ammo to pen it for tier 8s.Fck this game.fck u wot just make the armour like other tier 10 TDs.

 

That lower plate number is still affected by impact angle, and ofc your 25% RNG on a low roll.



the_nebuchadnezzar #4 Posted 28 May 2018 - 07:20 PM

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Just got this tank today. Of course, I suck in it cause I yolo like an idiot thinking it's indestructible. But the thing is, somehow, everyone is able to pen the commander cupola. I may be unlucky, but it happend to me in almost every game from the 6 or 7 I played so far which is strange. When I play against them, I rarely am able to pen that small area. 

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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 28 May 2018 - 06:20 PM, said:

Just got this tank today. Of course, I suck in it cause I yolo like an idiot thinking it's indestructible. But the thing is, somehow, everyone is able to pen the commander cupola. I may be unlucky, but it happend to me in almost every game from the 6 or 7 I played so far which is strange. When I play against them, I rarely am able to pen that small area. 

 

Identical problem :D 

 

I got damaged frontally by everyone with everything. Cupola, Lower plate, Gun mantlet...name it ! Everything goes through. 

 

On the other hand, when i play against one...it bounces gold ammo with his 4ss. 



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View Postpeekakilla, on 28 May 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

noob, just take out your TVP VTU and flank them :trollface:

 

Just a few minutes a go i penned a TVP in the turret with HE in my Borsig, did 980.

Enforcer1975 #7 Posted 28 May 2018 - 09:44 PM

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It takes a tier 10 tank with a big boomstick to nerf balance a broken tank...

One thing i saw though is that many Bobjects die pretty fast once they are spotted...focus and gold spam in their direction seems to get stronger by the day.


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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 28 May 2018 - 06:20 PM, said:

Just got this tank today. Of course, I suck in it cause I yolo like an idiot thinking it's indestructible. But the thing is, somehow, everyone is able to pen the commander cupola. I may be unlucky, but it happend to me in almost every game from the 6 or 7 I played so far which is strange. When I play against them, I rarely am able to pen that small area. 

 

That's because its not really op, only people that cant handle having to aim without pressing 2 key complain about this tank. Everyone else got to know the weakpoints.

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View Postihateclowns, on 28 May 2018 - 11:34 PM, said:

 

That's because its not really op, only people that cant handle having to aim without pressing 2 key complain about this tank. Everyone else got to know the weakpoints.

 

Nope, it's because the front armor is sensitive to your level. If you tilt it down to shoot someone below you, your upper plate is weak and if you tilt it up the lower-lower plate is an easy pen. 705 and 705A got the same problem, same designer maybe?

 

Also the_nebuchadnezzar is still figuring out how to play the tank or how to do the "controlled aggression" this tank requires.



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View Postihateclowns, on 28 May 2018 - 09:34 PM, said:

 

That's because its not really op, only people that cant handle having to aim without pressing 2 key complain about this tank. Everyone else got to know the weakpoints.

 

This. V4 has shown just how many people have given up aiming and just tap the 2 key. And the thing is, against V4 you still have to aim even with premium shells. Personally I haven't had too much of a problem with V4. It is tough, but it doesn't ruin my battles. Like Type 5, the tank itself doesn't bother me as much the fact that at least half of the people driving those have no business playing tier 10...

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 28 May 2018 - 09:44 PM, said:

It takes a tier 10 tank with a big boomstick to nerf balance a broken tank...

 

 [~snip~]

 

One thing i saw though is that many Bobjects die pretty fast once they are spotted...focus and gold spam in their direction seems to get stronger by the day.

 

Oh really?

 

 

And no, this does not normally happen, and neither do Bobjects die "pretty fast" once they are spotted. You must be thinking of the WTF E100 back in the day. I constantly meet complete incompetent players in the Bobject single handedly turning the tide of a battle due to sheer presence and being a near impenetrable fortress. This happens in 3-5-7, 5-10 and even single tiered matchmaking (full tier 10).


Edited by Celution, 29 May 2018 - 08:56 AM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 28 May 2018 - 06:47 PM, said:

It still has beats armour they nerfed only the hatch it still gets beast armour for both  lower plate.But in picture they showed that they nerfed the armour for lower plate.Wtf they fool us?.u still need gold ammo to pen it for tier 8s.Fck this game.fck u wot just make the armour like other tier 10 TDs.

 

Tanks.gg seems to show no nerf to the lower lower plate, so does look like they lied about that nerf, not that it made much difference because that plate is auto-bounce most of the time. 

 

 

View Postihateclowns, on 28 May 2018 - 10:34 PM, said:

 

That's because its not really op, only people that cant handle having to aim without pressing 2 key complain about this tank. Everyone else got to know the weakpoints.

 

Not really OP, LMAO.

 

It's the most OP tank ever put in the game and that is a simple fact.

 

Everyone needs to ignore this clown, he is a big bobject abuser, he is using it to boost his pathetic tier 10 play. In other tier 10 tanks he struggles to get more than about 50% win rate and 2k damage, in the bobject he is at 55% wins and nearly 2.5k damage.

 

Basically whatever this guy says on the bobject you can basically ignore because he is massively biased. The thing has been out like 2-3 months and this guy has already spammed nearly 450 games in the bobject.

 

This guy is a great example of why the 268 v4 needs further nerfs. 

 

 



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After this nerf will be just ok. Good players will be good in it, bad will be bad. I played 100 games in it lately and I noticed couple of things: You are always primary target for everyone in the field, including lights :) and that is not funny. When u drive forward full speed its hard to hit. But the thing is in this game,  u cant go just forward, u have to look right and left and back and without support ..  I often push forward and my teammates doesnt follow. Then i have problems immediatly, everyone focus on you and can pen u if u are close to them. They can flank u easilly. U know what happen when u overextend in this tank? U die very fast . I almost always prefer to be in one of my russian meds then in this td, when i have to carry 1vs2 1vs3 1vs 4 to win.. If they can play u cant do nothing. I can deal with 3 enemies in my 907 but in bobject its almost impossible. When this tank is in a platoon with some heavies or meds to cover you and make sure no one can flank you, well.. then its OP  ..

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View PostMicoMorifi, on 29 May 2018 - 08:40 AM, said:

After this nerf will be just ok. Good players will be good in it, bad will be bad. I played 100 games in it lately and I noticed couple of things: You are always primary target for everyone in the field, including lights :) and that is not funny. When u drive forward full speed its hard to hit. But the thing is in this game,  u cant go just forward, u have to look right and left and back and without support ..  I often push forward and my teammates doesnt follow. Then i have problems immediatly, everyone focus on you and can pen u if u are close to them. They can flank u easilly. U know what happen when u overextend in this tank? U die very fast . I almost always prefer to be in one of my russian meds then in this td, when i have to carry 1vs2 1vs3 1vs 4 to win.. If they can play u cant do nothing. I can deal with 3 enemies in my 907 but in bobject its almost impossible. When this tank is in a platoon with some heavies or meds to cover you and make sure no one can flank you, well.. then its OP  ..

Yeah there is a limit to how stupid you can be in the v4...

 

And why do you write “u” instead of “you”? Are you writing on an old phone with numbers instead of keyboard? :o



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Its funny how many  tanks are considered OP.. Bobject, then 907, then 140, then 430u, then wz5a, then tvp 50/51, then S.conq, then ... I dont know too many of them. But in reality there is no op tank, there is only op player.

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View PostMicoMorifi, on 29 May 2018 - 08:54 AM, said:

But in reality there is no op tank, there is only op player.

 

That is just not true.

 

V4 is OP (still will be after these nerfs as well), Maus buffs made that tank OP, Type 5 is OP, Defender is OP etc. etc.

 

There are loads of tanks that make the player overperform whatever their ability, the bobject currently boost players win rates by 4-5% across the board, doesn't matter if they are a 46% er or a 55% er, they'll get boosted by the bobject.

 

It's OP AF. 


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MicoMorifi #17 Posted 29 May 2018 - 09:08 AM

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View PostSimeon85, on 29 May 2018 - 08:56 AM, said:

 

That is just not true.

 

V4 is OP (still will be after these nerfs as well), Maus buffs made that tank OP, Type 5 is OP, Defender is OP etc. etc.

 

There are loads of tanks that make the player overperform whatever their ability, the bobject currently boost players win rates by 4-5% across the board, doesn't matter if they are a 46% er or a 55% er, they'll get boosted by the bobject.

 

It's OP AF. 

 

That is just not true, I have 58 % winrate in it so... Its underperfoming for me.. i have 69 % in e25, or I have 63%  in 907

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View PostMicoMorifi, on 29 May 2018 - 08:54 AM, said:

Its funny how many  tanks are considered OP.. Bobject, then 907, then 140, then 430u, then wz5a, then tvp 50/51, then S.conq, then ... I dont know too many of them. But in reality there is no op tank, there is only op player.

 

Object 907 is overpowered ever since its armour was massively buffed when it received the HD model.

Object 140 has not been considered truly overpowered, more than it makes the T-62A irrelevant since the turret armour buff it received out of nowhere.

Object 430U has been outright overpowered due to its too overtuned armour. Primarily the cupolas of 330mm+ thickness, and an UFP that is pretty much impenetrable.

WZ-111 5A is a tad overpowered due to the combination of raw DPM, overall mobility and -7 degrees of frontal gun depression. The only thing that needs nerfing as a start is the DPM, though.

TVP 50/51, and high-alpha autoloaders in general that unload with 2 s or less delay between the shells are generally toxic and bad for the overall gameplay. Yes, this includes tanks such as the T57 Heavy and Skoda T-50.

Super-Conqueror was fine initially, until they randomly decided to buff the gun depression from -7 to -10, and the DPM from 6.45 to 6.9 rounds/min, just before it hit the live server. These two statistics make it outright overpowered.

 

Then there are tanks that just have broken armour profiles due to the removal of weakspots:

PzKpfw VII and VK7201K are considered overpowered due to being virtually impenetrable to anything but top tier premium rounds - which is terrible for the gameplay much like the 268v4.

Type 5 Heavy and Japanese heavies in general are just broken by design, and a major overhaul needs to be considered to make them even remotely balanced.

 

Object 268 v4 is in its own league of overpowered, and in the 8 years I've played this game, there hasn't been a single vehicle so dominant and influential regardless no matter how terrible the driver is.


Edited by Celution, 29 May 2018 - 09:15 AM.


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View PostCelution, on 29 May 2018 - 09:12 AM, said:

 

Object 907 is overpowered ever since its armour was massively buffed when it received the HD model.

Object 140 has not been considered truly overpowered, more than it makes the T-62A irrelevant since the turret armour buff it received out of nowhere.

Object 430U has been outright overpowered due to its too overtuned armour. Primarily the cupolas of 330mm+ thickness, and an UFP that is pretty much impenetrable.

WZ-111 5A is a tad overpowered due to the combination of raw DPM, overall mobility and -7 degrees of frontal gun depression. The only thing that needs nerfing as a start is the DPM, though.

TVP 50/51, and high-alpha autoloaders in general that unload with 2 s or less delay between the shells are generally toxic and bad for the overall gameplay. Yes, this includes tanks such as the T57 Heavy and Skoda T-50.

Super-Conqueror was fine initially, until they randomly decided to buff the gun depression from -7 to -10, and the DPM from 6.45 to 6.9 rounds/min, just before it hit the live server. These two statistics make it outright overpowered.

 

Object 268 v4 is in its own league of overpowered, and in the 8 years I've played this game, there hasn't been a single vehicle so dominant and influential regardless no matter how terrible the driver is.

 

Thats what Im talking about :) 80% tier x are op  ( only germans are bad even i dont think so ) 268 v4 will be ok after nerf, tier 8 will pen u easilly with gold.

Edited by MicoMorifi, 29 May 2018 - 09:18 AM.


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View PostMicoMorifi, on 29 May 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

 

That is just not true, I have 58 % winrate in it so... Its underperfoming for me.. i have 69 % in e25, or I have 63%  in 907

Yeah you’re right, apparently a “handful” of players “underperform” in it, clearly not OP then? Can anyone claiming it’s not op explain why all players on average increase their wr with 4-5% in it? Preferably without anecdotal evidence.






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