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axell92108 #1 Posted 01 June 2018 - 10:04 PM

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This is a follow-up to my "Nerf Tier 9 MM" thread.

 

Instead of crying about unfair MM and power creep, I think taking the Bushido approach makes sense, unless you're willing to grind to Tier X vehicles (i sure as hell don't think 600-700k XP per tank line is rational), and by that I mean actually wanting to be bottom tier and an underdog, following a mindset that those who are 1 or 2 tiers above you are actually inferior and cowards since they have a tier advantage to yourself, and that it is okay to put up a fight with a stronger opponent and still carry your head high even after a loss, because they have won due to an unfair advantage. 

 

This is purely psychical stuff but I feel like giving it a shot. This would also imply not grinding above tier 8, as starting with tier 9 you are entering the pref MM zone.

 

inb4 trolls


Edited by axell92108, 01 June 2018 - 10:05 PM.


Dorander #2 Posted 01 June 2018 - 10:18 PM

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Good luck with this. Maybe you should've called it the "Flagellant's approach" instead, it seems more fitting, 'cause man you are good at beating yourself up so you can play the victim card.

Tankyouverymuch2 #3 Posted 01 June 2018 - 10:22 PM

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View Postaxell92108, on 01 June 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

inb4 trolls

 

:trollface::trollface::trollface:The gang's all here!:trollface::trollface::trollface:

 

...I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Bushido" approach... The only Bushido I remember is Kenji's street racing gang from NFS Carbon. *shrugs*



axell92108 #4 Posted 01 June 2018 - 10:25 PM

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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 01 June 2018 - 09:22 PM, said:

 

:trollface::trollface::trollface:The gang's all here!:trollface::trollface::trollface:

 

...I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Bushido" approach... The only Bushido I remember is Kenji's street racing gang from NFS Carbon. *shrugs*

 

lol. google it

Dava_117 #5 Posted 01 June 2018 - 10:56 PM

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Can't really se the problem there. Are you also going to skip tier 3? Because also that tier sees at most tier +1.

 

You got beaten by a tank 1 tier higher. Happens. You got jsut 500battles and bought a crappy tier 8. You don't know armour layouts, you don't know game mechanics, you lack in map knowledge.

Take your time to get experience at lower tiers! You got a single tier 6 standard tank, 1 tier 5 and 2-3 lower tier standard tank, but tons of tier 8 premium! 

 

Also, did someone else play your premium tanks? You have 60% WR in 112 (and still complain about mm) while 23% on cromwell. Most of your premium have good WR, 50-60%, while your standard tanks have botlike stats. If it's so, tell him to stop. He's just getting you too much credit and exp that pushed you up tier too fast. 



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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 01 June 2018 - 11:22 PM, said:

...I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Bushido" approach... The only Bushido I remember is Kenji's street racing gang from NFS Carbon. *shrugs*

 

No...the way of the warrior, made vulgar in a racing game...:(


Edited by Spurtung, 01 June 2018 - 11:09 PM.


Aikl #7 Posted 01 June 2018 - 11:14 PM

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From what I understand, Seppuku is part of the Bushido. Hence, the Bushido approach would imply a ritual self-sacrifice when victory is impossible to achieve.

 

Given the dwindling moral standards since the Meiji Restoration period, it would only make sense to extend the Bushido approach to perform the self-sacrifice at the start of every bottom-tier match.



axell92108 #8 Posted 01 June 2018 - 11:15 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 01 June 2018 - 09:56 PM, said:

Can't really se the problem there. Are you also going to skip tier 3? Because also that tier sees at most tier +1.

 

You got beaten by a tank 1 tier higher. Happens. You got jsut 500battles and bought a crappy tier 8. You don't know armour layouts, you don't know game mechanics, you lack in map knowledge.

Take your time to get experience at lower tiers! You got a single tier 6 standard tank, 1 tier 5 and 2-3 lower tier standard tank, but tons of tier 8 premium! 

 

Also, did someone else play your premium tanks? You have 60% WR in 112 (and still complain about mm) while 23% on cromwell. Most of your premium have good WR, 50-60%, while your standard tanks have botlike stats. If it's so, tell him to stop. He's just getting you too much credit and exp that pushed you up tier too fast. 

 

I'm the only one playing. All of my LT stats apart from Crusader (Covenanter,Cruiser,etc) are ancient, from like 2013. The premiums are with my current skill set. I am aiming for 62% WR in Lowe and 112 for now, i had a bad losing streak the other day.

 

I am glad you noticed the Cromwell winrate. It just goes to show how much a stock tank is affected by the 3/5/7 system and by powercreep monsters (T-34-85M and P.43 Bis). I've also had extraordinarily bad teams in the Cromwell in the past 2 days. It will sort it self out in the long run.


Edited by axell92108, 01 June 2018 - 11:19 PM.


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let me finish my tier 9 first

Thrael7 #10 Posted 01 June 2018 - 11:42 PM

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I 'm not ashamed to say I performed seppuku a few times during the VTU grind. I was getting the same results when trying.

The sacrilegious part was that I should 've waited for certain defeat before doing so.


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View PostThrael7, on 02 June 2018 - 12:42 AM, said:

I 'm not ashamed to say I performed seppuku a few times during the VTU grind. I was getting the same results when trying.

The sacrilegious part was that I should 've waited for certain defeat before doing so.

 

If there are no Defenders in the enemy team, your work is done anyway.

Balc0ra #12 Posted 02 June 2018 - 02:51 AM

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Bushido… Righteousness, courage, compassion, respect, honesty, honor, duty, loyalty and self-control…. I don't even use half of those when my Cromwell B is bullying the crap out of a Tiger II at range that can't even see me. Neither do they. Never did read any of the Bushido stuff. 

 

Sun Tzu works better for this game if you want to ride the +2 band wagon to the top. 



Hedgehog1963 #13 Posted 02 June 2018 - 03:15 AM

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OP never played LTs by choice when it was +4 MM.

 

He's a novice.  They'll replace the wooden Katana with a tin one any day now.



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View PostHedgehog1963, on 02 June 2018 - 03:15 AM, said:

OP never played LTs by choice when it was +4 MM.

 

He's a novice.  They'll replace the wooden Katana with a tin one any day now.

 

He never knew the way of the warrior because he never suffered in a Pz38na vs tier 8s like the oldboys

 



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View Postaxell92108, on 01 June 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

This is a follow-up to my "Nerf Tier 9 MM" thread.

 

Instead of crying about unfair MM and power creep, I think taking the Bushido approach makes sense, unless you're willing to grind to Tier X vehicles (i sure as hell don't think 600-700k XP per tank line is rational), and by that I mean actually wanting to be bottom tier and an underdog, following a mindset that those who are 1 or 2 tiers above you are actually inferior and cowards since they have a tier advantage to yourself, and that it is okay to put up a fight with a stronger opponent and still carry your head high even after a loss, because they have won due to an unfair advantage. 

 

This is purely psychical stuff but I feel like giving it a shot. This would also imply not grinding above tier 8, as starting with tier 9 you are entering the pref MM zone.

 

inb4 trolls

So your real problem is this:

 

For your reroll you bought a number of tier 8 premiums. And you are too lazy to grind tier 9 tanks the hard way and grinding would spoil your prescious WN8. Then you get your [edited]kicked when you play your expensive pay-to-win toys.

 

LOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOL



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View Postaxell92108, on 01 June 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

This is a follow-up to my "Nerf Tier 9 MM" thread.

 

Instead of crying about unfair MM and power creep, I think taking the Bushido approach makes sense, unless you're willing to grind to Tier X vehicles (i sure as hell don't think 600-700k XP per tank line is rational), and by that I mean actually wanting to be bottom tier and an underdog, following a mindset that those who are 1 or 2 tiers above you are actually inferior and cowards since they have a tier advantage to yourself, and that it is okay to put up a fight with a stronger opponent and still carry your head high even after a loss, because they have won due to an unfair advantage. 

 

This is purely psychical stuff but I feel like giving it a shot. This would also imply not grinding above tier 8, as starting with tier 9 you are entering the pref MM zone.

 

inb4 trolls

I get plenty of 15-3 mm created losses, where I do same dmg as 12x team mates added together. 

I think wg already has your idea, but serves only blow fish raw



Dava_117 #17 Posted 02 June 2018 - 10:33 AM

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View Postaxell92108, on 01 June 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

 

I'm the only one playing. All of my LT stats apart from Crusader (Covenanter,Cruiser,etc) are ancient, from like 2013. The premiums are with my current skill set. I am aiming for 62% WR in Lowe and 112 for now, i had a bad losing streak the other day.

 

I am glad you noticed the Cromwell winrate. It just goes to show how much a stock tank is affected by the 3/5/7 system and by powercreep monsters (T-34-85M and P.43 Bis). I've also had extraordinarily bad teams in the Cromwell in the past 2 days. It will sort it self out in the long run.

 

Considering you got very few battle in it, I'm sure a loosing streak can lower the WR so much. 

But, to be fair, Cromwell is not even bad as stock grind. The tank is already fast, with god RoF and workable pen. Tiger1 has a worst grind stock grind, in example, because 145 pen vs tier 9 are really bad.

 

In any case, if you want to get an ancient philosofy to apply to wot, I would suggest the viking's one. The stronger the enemy, the bigger the honor gain! In this way you won't neagte yourself the pleasure to play tier 9. It's the more balanced tier in game, far better tha tier 10, and it's a pity to not experience the best gameplay in wot!



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View Postaxell92108, on 01 June 2018 - 09:04 PM, said:

This is a follow-up to my "Nerf Tier 9 MM" thread.

 

Instead of crying about unfair MM and power creep, I think taking the Bushido approach makes sense, unless you're willing to grind to Tier X vehicles (i sure as hell don't think 600-700k XP per tank line is rational), and by that I mean actually wanting to be bottom tier and an underdog, following a mindset that those who are 1 or 2 tiers above you are actually inferior and cowards since they have a tier advantage to yourself, and that it is okay to put up a fight with a stronger opponent and still carry your head high even after a loss, because they have won due to an unfair advantage. 

 

This is purely psychical stuff but I feel like giving it a shot. This would also imply not grinding above tier 8, as starting with tier 9 you are entering the pref MM zone.

 

inb4 trolls

 

Coward. Please consider yourself delievered of a White Feather.

 

Surely the aim of World of Tanks is to open each line, experience and learn the different game play of each nation, and take them all the way through to tier X, so that with that knowledge (a) you can decide which tanks suit you and which you might wish to keep, and (b) you know the strengths and weaknesses of all the enemies you meet, because you know intimately the vehicles they are in having played them yourself. If you do not play tier IX and tier X you are a blind fool in tier VIII and tier VII.

 

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”


Sun Tzu, The Art of War


Edited by arthurwellsley, 02 June 2018 - 10:45 AM.


axell92108 #19 Posted 02 June 2018 - 10:49 AM

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View PostCatn1p, on 02 June 2018 - 04:46 AM, said:

So your real problem is this:

 

For your reroll you bought a number of tier 8 premiums. And you are too lazy to grind tier 9 tanks the hard way and grinding would spoil your prescious WN8. Then you get your [edited]kicked when you play your expensive pay-to-win toys.

 

LOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOL

 

Someone's jealous they can't afford tier 8 premiums on their reroll, huh Catn1p? 

 

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View Postaxell92108, on 01 June 2018 - 09:04 PM, said:

This is a follow-up to my "Nerf Tier 9 MM" thread.

 

Instead of crying about unfair MM and power creep, I think taking the Bushido approach makes sense, unless you're willing to grind to Tier X vehicles (i sure as hell don't think 600-700k XP per tank line is rational), and by that I mean actually wanting to be bottom tier and an underdog, following a mindset that those who are 1 or 2 tiers above you are actually inferior and cowards since they have a tier advantage to yourself, and that it is okay to put up a fight with a stronger opponent and still carry your head high even after a loss, because they have won due to an unfair advantage. 

 

This is purely psychical stuff but I feel like giving it a shot. This would also imply not grinding above tier 8, as starting with tier 9 you are entering the pref MM zone.

 

inb4 trolls

 

It's a computer game




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