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FireDash_ #1 Posted 03 June 2018 - 02:55 PM

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Any news on when the Tiger II gets some much needed love? It has been sitting there, for years in my garage hoping one day the thing would be good again, but with every update the Tiger II gets worse, to the point I would say it is the worst tier 8 in the game... While, it might have been second to best (Beside IS-3) best tank in the game 6 years ago.

 

To put it in perspective to people who do now own a Tiger II, the Tiger II compared to a tank 2 tier lower, the Churchill VII:

Churchill VII has higer DPM.

Churchill VII aims faster

Tiger II has higer pen and accuracy, then again it is gonna need it against tier 10, which the churchill VII won't meet.

Churchill VII has worse mobility, but the Tiger II isn't a fast tank compared to others.

Churchill VII has better frontal armour, and has spaced armour over the tracks, the Tiger II does have better turret armour... but it meets tanks which have 2x the pen than tank the Churchill VII meet.

Tiger II has higher viewrange.

 

And I have played the Churchill VII, and it's armour doesn't hold up against anything with all the premium shells flying around, why should the Tiger II's armour be anywhere near useable in 2 tiers higher?

The Tiger II doesn't really fit into the line either... the E 75 and E-100 have armour, while the Tiger II is a slow, sniper with worse than medium tank armour.

 



ricoBenitez1 #2 Posted 03 June 2018 - 02:58 PM

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Who did win the war Germany or Brittain??

So there is you answer



Dava_117 #3 Posted 03 June 2018 - 03:23 PM

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I stopped at "Churchill has better frontal armour". False. The nominal thickness is 152vs150 of tiger 2, but churchill has flat armour Tiger2 UFP is well sloped...

The real problem I found in Tiger 2 is that is really sluggish, both in acceleration and effective hull traverse. 

The gun is awsome, accurate and with good pen.

Armour is not noob proof, but can sidescrape because it can't get overmatched. 

Reducing terrain resistance or giving a small Engine buff would be enought, IMO.



Duck_of_Death #4 Posted 03 June 2018 - 03:44 PM

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The 268 V4 is the worst Tier 10 td in the Game to prove that statement here it is compared to a TD 2 Tiers lower than it the AT-15:

 

The AT-15 has a way better DPM

The At-15 is more Accurate

The AT-15 has better shell velocity

The AT-15 turns faster(effectively)

and the AT-15 has double the gun depression 

 

The 268 version 4 is useless pls buff it

q.e.d

 

While i agree that the Tiger2 is not a very good Tier8 atm and needs some serious buffs,comparing a few of it`s stats with a crappy Tier6 is probably the worst way to prove that.

 


Edited by Duck_of_Death, 03 June 2018 - 03:44 PM.


trusteft #5 Posted 03 June 2018 - 03:48 PM

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I like my Tiger 2 a lot.

I wouldn't mind some changes to the front of the turret armor as right now it is way way too easily penned. 

Otherwise, I like it.

 



Balc0ra #6 Posted 03 June 2018 - 03:51 PM

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View PostFireDash_, on 03 June 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

To put it in perspective to people who do now own a Tiger II, the Tiger II compared to a tank 2 tier lower, the Churchill VII:

Churchill VII has higer DPM.

Churchill VII aims faster

Tiger II has higer pen and accuracy, then again it is gonna need it against tier 10, which the churchill VII won't meet.

Churchill VII has worse mobility, but the Tiger II isn't a fast tank compared to others.

Churchill VII has better frontal armour, and has spaced armour over the tracks, the Tiger II does have better turret armour... but it meets tanks which have 2x the pen than tank the Churchill VII meet.

Tiger II has higher viewrange.

 

That's like saying the Churchill III has more DPM and better aim time then the Churchill VII. But comparing a 57mm gun to a 76.2mm gun is as good as comparing a 76.2mm gun with a 10.5 cm gun. As the ARL 44 on tier 6 with a 105mm gun, don't have the same aim time and dpm does he?  

 

And more armor? Lower plate is around 150mm effective on the Churchill VII, with a middle plate even most tier 6 guns can auto pen as it's 120mm effective if that. Upper plate is the same as the lower, around 150mm effective. Tiger II has over 200mm effective upper plate, and just over 152mm at the worst for the height of the Churchill VII's gun. About 170mm effective for more taller super heavies. 

 

So the Churchill VII's lower plate might be more effective vs taller tier 8 HT's due to the impact angle vs armor. But that middle plate is a 100mm at best at 60 degrees. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 03 June 2018 - 03:52 PM.


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View PostDava_117, on 03 June 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

I stopped at "Churchill has better frontal armour". False. The nominal thickness is 152vs150 of tiger 2, but churchill has flat armour Tiger2 UFP is well sloped...

The real problem I found in Tiger 2 is that is really sluggish, both in acceleration and effective hull traverse. 

The gun is awsome, accurate and with good pen.

Armour is not noob proof, but can sidescrape because it can't get overmatched. 

Reducing terrain resistance or giving a small Engine buff would be enought, IMO.

 

and a different turret.

it doesent matter if you angle iff everybody just pens the turretfront with ease.

 



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Nice comparison.

 

Due to WG's apparent love for "historical "accuracy"", buffing any hard stats is very unlikely. Reworking the line is almost as unlikely. The Tiger I and Tiger II could very much work at T6 and T7 respectively, but there's candidates for T8, except the Löwe. Since the two commonly cited Löwe variants (doubtful accuracy) have been combined into one premium tank, there's not really anything left.



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View PostAikl, on 03 June 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

Nice comparison.

 

Due to WG's apparent love for "historical "accuracy"", buffing any hard stats is very unlikely. Reworking the line is almost as unlikely. The Tiger I and Tiger II could very much work at T6 and T7 respectively, but there's candidates for T8, except the Löwe. Since the two commonly cited Löwe variants (doubtful accuracy) have been combined into one premium tank, there's not really anything left.

 

yep, this is biggest problem of those few Germans. they are simply "uptiered"... Tiger 1 is tier7,  while M4 and T34 variants are tier 5 and tier6, same as Panther.
if they were tweaked, and simply droped down one tier, it would be far better. espacially for nowdays TigerII.

it would have fantastic armor for tier7... but then again, we have ONI in the game... tier6's with premium ammo could pen LFP and commander hatch the same way they pen ONI small turrets...

Panthers armor would still be cheese, for anything that has 140+ pen.... also there  would be a problem what to do with VK30.02m - the "first" Panther... you cant put it simply on tier5...
then again, regular M4 Sherman started to produce in early 1942. VK3002M in 2nd part of 1942... E8 production started in autumn same year, and Jumbo Sherman in 1944. i think... Tiers in WOT are generally the problem with those real WWII tanks...

 

well, f. it...

 

 

 


Edited by Igor_BL, 03 June 2018 - 04:16 PM.


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Its not Russian so never.

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View Posttankqull, on 03 June 2018 - 03:51 PM, said:

 

and a different turret.

it doesent matter if you angle iff everybody just pens the turretfront with ease.

 

 

To be fair, apart from 122mm gun penning the roof, I don't get penned in the turret front that much. 185 is enought to bully lower tier at close range while the flat area is small enought to be hard to pen from medim to long distance. Side are also enought to be effectively angled while sidescraping. It's a fine turret, that works well from short distance when top tier and from medium to long distance when bottom tier. At most buff the front part of the roof to 50mm. Nothing more is needed...

Simeon85 #12 Posted 03 June 2018 - 04:42 PM

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Apparently WG have finished re-balancing tier 8-10 :D

 

Anyway, yeh it's pretty weak, but I wouldn't like it to turn into another over armoured OP heavy tank with armour buffs. You already have the VK 1001 P for that on the German tree at tier 8.

 

I'd like to see the Tiger 2 given DPM, gun handling, accuracy buffs, coupled with mobility and hit points buffs. Maybe even a penetration buff (to like 235) would fit with the role, make it more like it's little brother is on tier 7, lots of hit points, lots of DPM and a very good gun for it's tier. 

 

If it has like -

 

  • 1750 hit points 
  • 235 standard pen
  • around 2.4k base DPM
  • 2s aim time
  • Dispersion buffs
  • hp/ton of about 14

 

Then I think it would be a good and crucially different sort of heavy tank. 



WindSplitter1 #13 Posted 03 June 2018 - 04:47 PM

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Tiger II is so pathetic that yesterday I penned a shot through the turret side while shooting it from the front.

I have a personal rule to immediately drop everything I do if I spot a Tiger II to proceed to it's destruction ASAP:

Don't hate me. It just sorta happened and I made it a rule. :hiding:



ares354 #14 Posted 03 June 2018 - 04:55 PM

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I would love to see Centurion Mk I, Caernarvon losing their fake armor and get buff like soft stats. 

Then Tajj can talk how armor is not usefull in this game meta. 

Edited by ares354, 03 June 2018 - 04:56 PM.






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