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PoIestar #1 Posted 04 June 2018 - 11:40 AM

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I had the Super Conqueror in my garage during the switch. Then I sold it because I needed money and I hated the tank. I rebought it, I get why it's so powerful but the fact that I hate it is still there. And there's a simple reason.

 

The gun accuracy.

 

Here is it on paper. And you know what people say and statistically that is true: the Super Conqueror has the most accurate gun of any tier 10 heavy tank. Not by a great margin, but still it gets famed for this.

 

So I've played all of these tanks. The WZ and 113 not on live but on the test server where accuracy is exactly the same. And because of that, I can assure you: the Conqueror is the least accurate tank on tier 10. 

And why? The reticle might be the smallest because of some number, but that doesn't stop the shots going all over the place.

 

I just played on Province, the map that should've never returned to tier 10, where there is the occasional sniping going on. Your reticle is big enough that a Bat Chat across the map is about a fifth of your total reticle.

 

That means four fifth of the reticle is aimed towards thin air. And I advice you, no I strongly advice you, to play the Super Conqueror, and notice that for some funny reason ALL of your shots will find that four fifth. As is statistically probable. It's so terribly inaccurate. You can't snipe weakspots at range, sometimes let alone hit the target. It's terrible.

 

Now don't get me wrong, in a brawling situation it's strong, it can cripple enemy tanks with great DPM and penetration. But if you're looking for a tank because if necessary it can snipe, NEVER buy a Super Conqueror. Believe me when I say shots travel towards a target better in an IS-7 at range than a Conqueror. 

 

Or I might be delusional. I just needed to get that off my chest, maybe somebody has the same experience.



breeeze #2 Posted 04 June 2018 - 11:53 AM

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You are indeed delusional, well spotted.

Igor_BL #3 Posted 04 June 2018 - 11:55 AM

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SQ has superb tier X HT gun. That poor acc. stuff is just nonsense.

Homer_J #4 Posted 04 June 2018 - 12:03 PM

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View PostPoIestar, on 04 June 2018 - 11:40 AM, said:

 

Or I might be delusional.

Quite probable.



XxKuzkina_MatxX #5 Posted 04 June 2018 - 12:06 PM

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I am a bit fussy when it comes to gun accuracy and i can tell you that in higher tiers, the S.C is second only to the Strv 103B IMO. One of the few guns that i am comfortable with just point and shoot. Try it some more maybe you were a little unlucky so far.

etody77 #6 Posted 04 June 2018 - 12:13 PM

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somehow wrong

SQ has one of the best Acc. at tier 10

 



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View PostIgor_BL, on 04 June 2018 - 10:55 AM, said:

SQ has superb tier X HT gun. That poor acc. stuff is just nonsense.

 

wouldnt rule him off so quick, as the weighting towards the centere of the reticle by russian(inspired) tanks seems alot stronger than on other nations tanks and thats why people refere to russian tanks as snapshot monster...

wich in return can support his observations especially when you have in mind that this gun statistic is nowhere dispalyed and thus allows WG for alot of behind the scenes modifications no one can point at...



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another nonsens

 



tankqull #9 Posted 04 June 2018 - 12:46 PM

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View PostIgor_BL, on 04 June 2018 - 11:40 AM, said:

another nonsens

 

 

well than it should be easy to proof the opposite for you.

Homer_J #10 Posted 04 June 2018 - 12:56 PM

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View Posttankqull, on 04 June 2018 - 12:29 PM, said:

 

wouldnt rule him off so quick, as the weighting towards the centere of the reticle by russian(inspired) tanks seems alot stronger than on other nations tanks 

But it isn't.

 

View Posttankqull, on 04 June 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

 

well than it should be easy to proof the opposite for you.

I look forward to you providing your proof.



PoIestar #11 Posted 04 June 2018 - 12:56 PM

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See and this is what's wrong with the community. Most of you don't even have more than 20 games in the tank, they just put it away to play meds and then when somebody brings it up, they look at numerical stats and call bs.

 

Numerically yes, the S Conq has great accuracy. In real? No, not so much. It's because it's British and all British tanks have this problem. If you want the most accurate tier 10 heavy, play the IS-7. How do I know? Because I play both of the tanks on regular basis. I'd recommend doing the same. 

 

View PostHomer_J, on 04 June 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

But it isn't.

 

I look forward to you providing your proof.

 

I'd leave this discussion if I were you, as you have only one game in the tank so you can never get a hold of what the problem is here.
 

And because I know you will whine about it, here's just a random game, that Province game I talked about. Just look at where some of these shots are going, and just look at the non ability to hit any weak spot on the Tortoise. Not because of crappy aiming, but because the shots just don't go where I point them.


 

sabre_ferret #12 Posted 04 June 2018 - 12:59 PM

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Lol got to love the *edit   brigade's response to this.  The SConq gun is nothing like advertised.  

Edited by Jbnn, 05 June 2018 - 06:08 AM.
This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks.


Homer_J #13 Posted 04 June 2018 - 01:01 PM

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View PostPoIestar, on 04 June 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

 

I'd leave this discussion if I were you, as you have only one game in the tank so you can never get a hold of what the problem is here.

 

One game in standard mode random battles you mean.

 

But hey, facts, who needs them?  You chose to ignore the facts you provided in the OP, clearly feels are more reliable than actual data.



PoIestar #14 Posted 04 June 2018 - 01:06 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 04 June 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

But hey, facts, who needs them?  You chose to ignore the facts you provided in the OP, clearly feels are more reliable than actual data.

 

Wow, you are so short sighted that it almost hurts. Maybe read the OP for a change, maybe see the replay I linked two posts above this one. Maybe that will stop you from being so reliant on what some numbers say.

 

A substantial part of this game indeed relies on the data that the game gives us. The other half is indeed, blatanly said, feels. But when not playing a tank, you can't feel that so I don't know what you're doing here.


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View Posttankqull, on 04 June 2018 - 12:29 PM, said:

 

 the weighting towards the centere of the reticle by russian(inspired) tanks seems alot stronger than on other nations tanks and thats why people refere to russian tanks as snapshot monster...

 

 

I belive this too, not only towards russian tanks but in general.

For example i do feel that E100`s 15 cm gun is more accurate than PZ7`s gun, despite the numbers. And i played both a lot.

I think the inside circle randomization is subject for hidden balance by WG.

 

View PostHomer_J, on 04 June 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

 

One game in standard mode random battles you mean.

 

But hey, facts, who needs them?  You chose to ignore the facts you provided in the OP, clearly feels are more reliable than actual data.

 

A loaded screen is not a fact. A fact is that you post more than you play.

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Your Squonk hit ratio is the highest of all your tier Xs, if only by 0.4%

PoIestar #17 Posted 04 June 2018 - 01:10 PM

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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 04 June 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

Your Squonk hit ratio is the highest of all your tier Xs, if only by 0.4%

 

Hit =/= pen.

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View Postsabre_ferret, on 04 June 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Lol got to love the brown nose brigade's response to this.  The SConq gun is nothing like advertised.  

 

So you analysed those one thousand replays of yours yet then?

Homer_J #19 Posted 04 June 2018 - 01:15 PM

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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 04 June 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

Your Squonk hit ratio is the highest of all your tier Xs, if only by 0.4%

 

He's already said he isn't interested in facts or even opinions which differ from his own.

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View PostHomer_J, on 04 June 2018 - 11:56 AM, said:

But it isn't.

 

I look forward to you providing your proof.

 

existance of weighting:

https://worldoftanks...curacy-changes/

 

absolutly everybody "knows" about the insane snapshot ability of russian(inspired) tanks as it can be observed every day. as the publicated accuray values (dispersion+gun handling stats) do not indicate any of this it seems quite sure that it is tied to another compeltly hidden stat. the centre bias of the distribution pattern shown above.

so to compensate for the rather bad gun stats the weigthing has been increased making it more likely than on other tanks to actually hit the aimingpoint than the outer parts of your reticle...

 

now its to you to proof the opposite.

 






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