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IDFdk #1 Posted 05 June 2018 - 02:51 PM

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I have the great fortune that a RL friend joined wot and our Little Clan 2 mdr ago. 
He wanted to play german tanks only. well after 2K games he can se the problem in that.
Hes been into the following types.
first it was Mediums, then Tds and the Arty and the now also Lights. But he still dislike the heavy tanks and he said that they suck.

Then i asked he to put a few Words on why heavy sucked.

Hes been working on the the tiger 1 line. and i look into he games on Noobmeter and so on. and now i get it.

Heavies are "unlucky" in match making. he played his tier 4 and more the 62% of his games was against higher tiers .
Then he got his crappy tier 5 VK30.01 (62 games) and never ever felt he was heavy, and never in control (45% win) and Again 57% of the games against tier 7 tanks.
Well he then got his tier 6 VK36.01 (86) games and 48% win and still got to feed the higher tier tanks 85% against tier 7 or 8.
Well i told to stick in there as i remenber my tiger 1 as fun and hoped it should make heavies fun for him.
Well Now he has his tiger 1 and no no no....  after 41 games hes at 41% win rate, 83% against tier 8 and 9. and he used free Xp to upgrade once he got it, so never stock.

Then does he suck in general.. dont think so, hes maded his campaign in arty,Td and medium, and on mission 15 in light, but he still on mission 7 in the heavy line.
he has a winning rate of 51,63% in 1900+ games. 47% in his heavies.

Dont know what or have to make heavies fun for him, for as a new player he have more then 40 hours of german heavies that have no armor and crap guns compared to russian and japans heavies or anything higher tier. and i think it might be a reason he drops the game.....

 



 



Enforcer1975 #2 Posted 05 June 2018 - 03:06 PM

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He should play other nations and their classes too. He might find something that fits what he expects from one of them. Sticking to one nation and class "because reasons"* is just BS.

 

 

* wehraboo? 

 

I had a few players i knew from another game who also did the german line because wehraboo, they sucked and stopped playing. 


Edited by Enforcer1975, 05 June 2018 - 03:08 PM.


Homer_J #3 Posted 05 June 2018 - 03:13 PM

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View PostIDFdk, on 05 June 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

 

Dont know what or have to make heavies fun for him, 

Don't play them.  There is no need to.

 

BTW, did he platoon in his tier 4 heavies?  Because they all get special mm and only see up to tier 5 unless they platoon with a different class.

 

There is nothing actually wrong with German heavies though.  They just attract newbies.



WindSplitter1 #4 Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:31 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 05 June 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

Don't play them.  There is no need to.

 

BTW, did he platoon in his tier 4 heavies?  Because they all get special mm and only see up to tier 5 unless they platoon with a different class.

 

There is nothing actually wrong with German heavies though.  They just attract newbies.

 

They surely didn't attract me. Unless Maus. :D

Pattonizer #5 Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:42 PM

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My brother has two accounts, an only-german and an only-soviet. We were interested in 'bias', so the whole thing has some statistical evaluation behind it. This has started 7 years ago. The german has 10k games, the soviet about 3k. We are not playing too much as you can see.

The results are very identical. About 55% winratio in both of them, WN8 about 2200 in both too. Both account has HTs, MDs, TDs and LTs (every tier included). We are not playing arties for pure, well-educated moral reasons. lel.

Nothing is wrong with the german line. Tell your friend to keep practice.

Edited by Pattonizer, 05 June 2018 - 11:44 PM.


Warzey #6 Posted 06 June 2018 - 12:04 AM

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This is not War Thunder, there is absolutely no reason to stick exclusively with one nation. German heavies can be tricky to use properly for new players, or maybe they just don't fit your friends play style. 

AXIS_OF_RESISTANCE #7 Posted 06 June 2018 - 01:20 AM

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playing German tanks in 2k18 lol .

Robbie_T #8 Posted 06 June 2018 - 01:49 AM

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I would not recommend any German line for beginners.



Pattonizer #9 Posted 06 June 2018 - 02:00 AM

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View PostAXIS_OF_RESISTANCE, on 06 June 2018 - 12:20 AM, said:

playing German tanks in 2k18 lol .

 

 Let me make a senseless argument: 

Cabbage. Cabbage is healthy, also green. Cabbage.

 


Edited by Pattonizer, 06 June 2018 - 02:02 AM.


Strappster #10 Posted 06 June 2018 - 02:21 AM

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View PostPattonizer, on 06 June 2018 - 01:00 AM, said:

Cabbage. Cabbage is healthy, also green. Cabbage.

 

Cabbage is merely an overgrown sprout and as such holds no sway here. :sceptic:



JocMeister #11 Posted 06 June 2018 - 06:09 AM

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View PostIDFdk, on 05 June 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

I have the great fortune that a RL friend joined wot and our Little Clan 2 mdr ago. 
He wanted to play german tanks only. well after 2K games he can se the problem in that.
Hes been into the following types.
first it was Mediums, then Tds and the Arty and the now also Lights. But he still dislike the heavy tanks and he said that they suck.

Then i asked he to put a few Words on why heavy sucked.

Hes been working on the the tiger 1 line. and i look into he games on Noobmeter and so on. and now i get it.

Heavies are "unlucky" in match making. he played his tier 4 and more the 62% of his games was against higher tiers .
Then he got his crappy tier 5 VK30.01 (62 games) and never ever felt he was heavy, and never in control (45% win) and Again 57% of the games against tier 7 tanks.
Well he then got his tier 6 VK36.01 (86) games and 48% win and still got to feed the higher tier tanks 85% against tier 7 or 8.
Well i told to stick in there as i remenber my tiger 1 as fun and hoped it should make heavies fun for him.
Well Now he has his tiger 1 and no no no....  after 41 games hes at 41% win rate, 83% against tier 8 and 9. and he used free Xp to upgrade once he got it, so never stock.

Then does he suck in general.. dont think so, hes maded his campaign in arty,Td and medium, and on mission 15 in light, but he still on mission 7 in the heavy line.
he has a winning rate of 51,63% in 1900+ games. 47% in his heavies.

Dont know what or have to make heavies fun for him, for as a new player he have more then 40 hours of german heavies that have no armor and crap guns compared to russian and japans heavies or anything higher tier. and i think it might be a reason he drops the game.....

 



 

 

HTs in general are royally screwed with the new MM.

 

So he either sucks it up until he gets to the VKB or E75 or he plays LTs/MTs.






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