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Should WG add both, one or none of the tanks

  1. Both the TL-4 & the TL-6 should be added (3 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  2. Only the TL-4 should be added (1 vote [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  3. Only the TL-6 should be added (3 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  4. We don't need/want a T8 premium american TD (6 votes [46.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

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chri105n #1 Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:51 PM

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Don't know if it was already posted, but found these two the other day. Since there is no current T8 American Premium TD, I think both might be a positive addition to the game. Sorry for the small pictures and sorry if I posted in the wrong sub-forum.

 

First candidate: The TL-4

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Armed with 105mm smoothbore gun

I could easily see this as a charioteer like machine, less mobile and a little worse gun handling but with decent turret armor (not russian levels of decent of course) more like T25/2 levels of decent, maybe a bit better.

 

Second candidate: The TL-6

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Armed with a (what looks like) a 120mm gun

I could see this being something akin to a Ferdinand. With good upper frontal armor and very good superstructure armor but with a cupola weak spot on top (not russian 'weak spot' of course). Maybe even make it slightly more mobile than the T28 prototype.



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seeing as there is no tier 8 american TD prem yet, Im not against this idea actually, and probably one of the prems WG should make

ares354 #3 Posted 06 June 2018 - 12:37 AM

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That first one look like HT, not TD. But many US TD are HT for example. 

And why second should have good upper frontal armor ? Give him Ferdi level of armor. 

chri105n #4 Posted 06 June 2018 - 12:53 AM

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View Postares354, on 05 June 2018 - 11:37 PM, said:

That first one look like HT, not TD. But many US TD are HT for example. 

 

It appears it was an early stage version of something called the T96 medium tank, which apparently was the hull of the TL-4 with a T95E4 turret (basically the already existing T95E2 but with a 105mm gun)

 

View Postares354, on 05 June 2018 - 11:37 PM, said:

And why second should have good upper frontal armor ? Give him Ferdi level of armor. 

 

Because the none turreted american TD line from T8 and up all have really great frontal armor, giving it good upper frontal armor, I feel, fits the line nicely. If you gave it Ferdi level of armor with a 120 mm gun it wouldn't be very competitive. But look at the lower plate, it's huge! It extends almost to the top of the tracks and with a cupola weak spot as well, I don't think good upper frontal armor would make it OP



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 Because the none turreted american TD line from T8 and up all have really great frontal armor, giving it good upper frontal armor, I feel, fits the line nicely. If you gave it Ferdi level of armor with a 120 mm gun it wouldn't be very competitive. But look at the lower plate, it's huge! It extends almost to the top of the tracks and with a cupola weak spot as well, I don't think good upper frontal armor would make it OP

 

Well only from tier 8 UP, US TD get good frontal armor. 

And that second tanks look like it have turret so he can be turret TD, and T30 for example have good turret but bad hull. They may give him good turret armor with good gun dep and 120 mm gun. It will fit fine, but with some weakspot. WG tend to remove them now days. 



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TECHNICALLY speaking..... T34 is a TD. i mean T30 is just a upgunned T29 and slapped on a TD logo. so T34 is just a T29 with a bigger gun and should be labeled a TD. tadaaa american tier 8 TD. :trollface:

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View Postares354, on 06 June 2018 - 12:00 AM, said:

And that second tanks look like it have turret so he can be turret TD

 

Look at the back of the TL-6, the back side is a straight line. So either the turret extends to the absolute back of the tank which might give a 150°/180° gun arc (like the Obj. 416 and Obj. 430) or it has no turret, this would probably give a rather narrow gun arc. both are in my book acceptable.

 

View Postares354, on 06 June 2018 - 12:00 AM, said:

It will fit fine, but with some weakspot. WG tend to remove them now days. 

 

Ain't that the truth

 



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 Look at the back of the TL-6, the back side is a straight line. So either the turret extends to the absolute back of the tank which might give a 150°/180° gun arc (like the Obj. 416 and Obj. 430) or it has no turret, this would probably give a rather narrow gun arc. both are in my book acceptable.

 

Agree with that idea.



Lord_Edge #9 Posted 06 June 2018 - 08:51 AM

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Tier 8 American TD? Just put a tier 7 gun on the T95 and jobs done lol :P

chri105n #10 Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:50 AM

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View PostLord_Edge, on 06 June 2018 - 07:51 AM, said:

Tier 8 American TD? Just put a tier 7 gun on the T95 and jobs done lol :P

 

Would it not be better, if they actually gave us a new design instead of copying an already existing one?



Dava_117 #11 Posted 06 June 2018 - 11:04 AM

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Like both and I think they could be quite balanced. The only problem is that the TL-4 use a smoothbore, so it can't get in WoT...

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View PostDava_117, on 06 June 2018 - 10:04 AM, said:

The only problem is that the TL-4 use a smoothbore, so it can't get in WoT...

afaik, they introduced this rule to prevent adding gun-launched ATGMS and other than that there isn't really any reason not to have them in game. Like if you made their ammo loadout APCR/HEAT/HE (as in-game equivalents for APSFDS and HEATFS) they would essentially be the same as higher tier guns.

 



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View PostDava_117, on 06 June 2018 - 10:04 AM, said:

Like both and I think they could be quite balanced. The only problem is that the TL-4 use a smoothbore, so it can't get in WoT...

 

What, why? There is already a tank with a smoothbore gun in WoT. The T95E2 was originally fitted with the 90 mm T208 smoothbore gun. So no issue there :)

 

Edit: it appers they have given the T95E2 a different gun (M41E1) same caliber thought, then just give the TL-4 a rifled version of the 105mm.


Edited by chri105n, 06 June 2018 - 11:20 AM.


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View Postchri105n, on 06 June 2018 - 10:17 AM, said:

 

What, why? There is already a tank with a smoothbore gun in WoT. The T95E2 was originally fitted with the 90 mm T208 smoothbore gun. So no issue there :)

Actually 2, the Chieftain/T95 mounts the T208, although they've named it as "90mm gun T208 (rifled)".

Guess you could just do the same trick :trollface:



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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 06 June 2018 - 10:23 AM, said:

Actually 2, the Chieftain/T95 mounts the T208, although they've named it as "90mm gun T208 (rifled)".

Guess you could just do the same trick :trollface:

 

Cheeky Wargaming (also I got confused since there is also a T10 T95/Chieftain that uses a 120mm L11A1)



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View Postchri105n, on 06 June 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

 

What, why? There is already a tank with a smoothbore gun in WoT. The T95E2 was originally fitted with the 90 mm T208 smoothbore gun. So no issue there :)

 

Edit: it appers they have given the T95E2 a different gun (M41E1) same caliber thought, then just give the TL-4 a rifled version of the 105mm.

 

Did the same with T-62. They used the version A with a 100mm rifled gun because they couldn't use the 115mm smoothbore gun...

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View PostDava_117, on 06 June 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

Did the same with T-62. They used the version A with a 100mm rifled gun because they couldn't use the 115mm smoothbore gun...

 

That's a shame. Nowadays the T62-A is the black sheep of the T10 russian mediums. A 115 mm gun would make it much more novel. They could just call it "115 mm U-5TS (Rifeld)"


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