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Panikovski #1 Posted 06 June 2018 - 03:14 PM

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Can someone explain to me how is it reasonable for the Caernarvon to have 600 DPM more than any other same tier heavy and, generally, a DMP 30%+ higher than most Tier VIII heavies?

Aimless #2 Posted 06 June 2018 - 03:16 PM

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600 more than any and 30% than most. Yep, that's the bonus for the 3 Churchills you have to grind through.

Edited by Aimless, 06 June 2018 - 03:17 PM.


arthurwellsley #3 Posted 06 June 2018 - 03:23 PM

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View PostPanikovski, on 06 June 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

Can someone explain to me how is it reasonable for the Caernarvon to have 600 DPM more than any other same tier heavy and, generally, a DMP 30%+ higher than most Tier VIII heavies?

 

Because the alpha is 280 which is almost medium tank range in tier VIII. So although the DPM is good, actually getting to use it, and also learning to trade well when for example the IS3 has 390 alpha is something that some players grinding through the Caernarvon struggle with.

 

Plus the tier V, VI, and VII before you get to the Caernarvon as also mentioned.



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Man, I get it, it's a tough grind... but this is just so utter OP it's ridiculous, tier for tier, I think this is even worst than the S.C.'s gun depression. 
 

View Postarthurwellsley, on 06 June 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

 

Because the alpha is 280 which is almost medium tank range in tier VIII. So although the DPM is good, actually getting to use it, and also learning to trade well when for example the IS3 has 390 alpha is something that some players grinding through the Caernarvon struggle with.

 

Plus the tier V, VI, and VII before you get to the Caernarvon as also mentioned.

 

So then, the AMX M4 49 and equivalent tech tree garbage should get maybe 500 more DPM because they have 300 Alpha?
 

Edited by NickMustaine, 06 June 2018 - 03:50 PM.


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View PostPanikovski, on 06 June 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

 

So then, the AMX M4 49 and equivalent tech tree garbage should get maybe 500 more DPM because they have 300 Alpha?

 

If DPM and damage/shot were the only balancing parameters, sure.

 

It's probably a bit random anyway. Defender and IS-3 are interesting tanks to look at for DPM and soft stats - also try to compare them. Pretty funny if you ask me.



etody77 #6 Posted 06 June 2018 - 03:28 PM

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yep, it's ok because bad armour, excepting turret

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View PostPanikovski, on 06 June 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

Man, I get it, it's a tough grind... but this is just so utter OP it's ridiculous, tier for tier, I think this is even worst than the S.C. gun depression. 

 

​Yes, Lets nerf one of few or so only British Tanks that is decent, Also, you never played it when it was dog crap.

 

Id rather face a Caen than most other tier 8 tanks.



OneSock #8 Posted 06 June 2018 - 03:39 PM

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I wouldn't say it's OP.

 

My Tier 8 HT win rates:

IS3 - 56%

KV4 - 53%

AMX 50-100 - 59% (low number of games)

110 - 54%

Caernavon - 54%

 

So for me, no it's not OP at all.



tank276 #9 Posted 06 June 2018 - 03:51 PM

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View Postetody77, on 06 June 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

yep, it's ok because bad armour, excepting turret

 

I found the upper plate of it bouncing my shells consistently when angled.

Dava_117 #10 Posted 06 June 2018 - 03:53 PM

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Quite a good tank. IMO they overdone buffing the hull. With such a strong turret the UFP should be weack as it was before the buff. Same goes fo Conqueror and SConqueror...

Bexleyheath #11 Posted 06 June 2018 - 04:13 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 06 June 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

Because the alpha is 280 which is almost medium tank range in tier VIII. So although the DPM is good, actually getting to use it, and also learning to trade well when for example the IS3 has 390 alpha is something that some players grinding through the Caernarvon struggle with.

 

Precisely! DPM is rarely a useful measure of a tanks actual effective damage output ingame. A typical engagement in WoT is perhaps 2-10 seconds during which an ISM can do 390 dmg while the Caernavron can only do 280.



Balc0ra #12 Posted 06 June 2018 - 04:17 PM

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Well... if it had 2400, or 2200 DPM. It would be crap again. DPM is the only thing making ppl play it. They could not balance anything else on it. 

Velvet_Underground #13 Posted 06 June 2018 - 04:19 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 06 June 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

Well... if it had 2400, or 2200 DPM. It would be crap again. DPM is the only thing making ppl play it. They could not balance anything else on it. 

I'm pretty sure you have already been called out on your "it has only dpm going for it" bs.



etody77 #14 Posted 06 June 2018 - 04:23 PM

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View Posttank276, on 06 June 2018 - 03:51 PM, said:

 

I found the upper plate of it bouncing my shells consistently when angled.

 

I played him before buffs, and armour was weaker

but yes, a good tank



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Because the Caernarvon  was one, if not, the best tank at that time.

 

It was the blueprint for the tanks that followed, and that should be celebrated on a tanks game.

 

Its like asking why Ronaldo and Messi are so much better than the other players in Fifa games


Edited by pecopad, 06 June 2018 - 04:53 PM.


Mimos_A #16 Posted 06 June 2018 - 05:01 PM

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It's pretty good, but it didn't feel OP to me. It's great if you get to go hulldown and double track some donkey. Other than that it's a bit of a one-trick pony. It's great if you get to sit hull down and out-dpm stuff, but on flat maps or against multiple arty it's pretty meh.

Knight_Zao #17 Posted 06 June 2018 - 05:02 PM

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lmao @ dpm......WoT is currently in an alpha meta, not dpm.

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It only has 220 pen. thats pretty garbage for a heavy with low alpha.

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View PostBexleyheath, on 06 June 2018 - 03:13 PM, said:

 

Precisely! DPM is rarely a useful measure of a tanks actual effective damage output ingame. A typical engagement in WoT is perhaps 2-10 seconds during which an ISM can do 390 dmg while the Caernavron can only do 280.

 

yes yes DPM is useless thats why WZ-120-1G FT, SU-122-44 and 5 second reload Tier 9&10 Soviet Hovermeds butcher everything 

Mimos_A #20 Posted 06 June 2018 - 05:12 PM

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View Postaxell92108, on 06 June 2018 - 05:03 PM, said:

 

yes yes DPM is useless thats why WZ-120-1G FT, SU-122-44 and 5 second reload Tier 9&10 Soviet Hovermeds butcher everything 

 

Soviet hovermeds butcher very little at the moment. In randoms they're totally worthless unless in a platoon. WZ-120-1g FT has high alpha, su-122-44 has high alpha.




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