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_Anarchistic_ #1 Posted 07 June 2018 - 05:07 AM

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when WG says a tank is base don blueprints what do they really mean?

 

a blueprint Is normally a detailed plan of something so it can be built, yet many of the tanks wg says are blueprints seem nothing more than fag packet drawings and many are pure fiction, for example I have never found a mention of the jagdpanzer e100 anywhere and the first picture I can find was when trumpeter released a 1/35 scale model kit, prior to that it was non existent as far as I can tell.  likewise the E50 seems to be a paper sketch with a few components drawn in detail like the suspension plan by Porsche, and further ideas like the rear drive with a combined engine and transmission being nothing more than a proposed development direction.  The current pictures of the E50 have be drawn together post war from various source materials and plenty of imagination, or possibly in the JPE100 from pure imagination !!

 

I accept I have not done any research like wg and only have access to reference books like Doyle, Spielberger, Hunnicutt and that in many cases new information has changed a few facts but overall I wonder how many tanks in WOT are pure fiction.  I have added a blueprint of the centurion, a picture of e class tanks as a comparison

 

with the new Italian line WG have admitted many are a 'bit of a stretch' and I hasten to add I have no issue with this but I would love to know more about many of these vehicles and it would be nice if wg could link their sources on each tanks page in their wiki

 

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Blueprint

 

https://en.wikipedia...ampfwagen_E-100

 

edit re the JPE100 I wonder if WOt might have inspired the trumpeter kit?  or perhaps the other way around?

 

 

 

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Coopsjc21 #2 Posted 07 June 2018 - 08:02 AM

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I think just paperwork... notes & sketches, rather than actual blueprints .

 

I can't find any details of the Jagdpanzer e100 either. I doubt there were any drawings or designs for it, just a written proposal of putting a different gun in the e100 chassis as described by WG at the bottom.. http://wiki.wargamin...G72_JagdPz_E100


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Thejagdpanther #3 Posted 07 June 2018 - 08:33 AM

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If you drawn something that resemble a tank on this kind of "paper"

 

Spoiler

 

and wg find it... yes, it's a blueprint.



_b_ #4 Posted 07 June 2018 - 08:36 AM

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View PostThejagdpanther, on 07 June 2018 - 07:33 AM, said:

If you drawn something that resemble a tank on this kind of "paper"

 

Spoiler

 

and wg find it... yes, it's a blueprint.

 

Wouldn't that be a brown-print ?

Nethraniel #5 Posted 07 June 2018 - 08:41 AM

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View Post_b_, on 07 June 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

 

Wouldn't that be a brown-print ?

 

Only, if it is a Nazi German tank.

_Anarchistic_ #6 Posted 07 June 2018 - 08:43 AM

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View PostThejagdpanther, on 07 June 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

If you drawn something that resemble a tank on this kind of "paper"

 

Spoiler

 

and wg find it... yes, it's a blueprint.

 

brownprint?

Coopsjc21 #7 Posted 07 June 2018 - 09:00 AM

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Accordibg to WG if it's German it'll be 2-ply tissue, if it's Russian it'll be 4-ply tissue.

Kozzy #8 Posted 07 June 2018 - 09:03 AM

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When it comes to pixel tanks where should the line be drawn? 

 

Tanks that:
            - fought in combat
            - were mass produced
            - had a prototype
            - were planned for production but never produced
            - had detailed blue prints for
            - were a design evolution of an existing model but no plans were drawn up
            - contempory concepts / drawings / sketches 
            - logical evolutions of old designs (long 88s on Tigers?)
            - ideas to fill gaps in arbitrary 'tech trees'

 

Also, more importantly, did you find some good organic flour?



Dorander #9 Posted 07 June 2018 - 09:22 AM

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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 07 June 2018 - 07:43 AM, said:

 

brownprint?

 

... cause he posted a picture of toilet paper, which has the additional advantage of showing the track layout very well.

 

View PostKozzy, on 07 June 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

When it comes to pixel tanks where should the line be drawn? 

 

Tanks that:
            - fought in combat
            - were mass produced
            - had a prototype
            - were planned for production but never produced
            - had detailed blue prints for
            - were a design evolution of an existing model but no plans were drawn up
            - contempory concepts / drawings / sketches 
            - logical evolutions of old designs (long 88s on Tigers?)
            - ideas to fill gaps in arbitrary 'tech trees'

 

Also, more importantly, did you find some good organic flour?

 

Where a line is drawn depends on what kind of game it is designed to be. If World of Tanks was a simulator, I could very well understand complaints about fantasy tanks/guns/stats because the goal of a simulator should be to simulate reality. World of Tanks however is just an online shooter where we happen to be playing as tanks, which some people for baffling reasons hold up to the standards of a simulator 'cause they happen to get some things right.

Alex_Connor #10 Posted 07 June 2018 - 09:25 AM

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E-50, E-50M and E-75 are semi-plausible vehicles based on project names the germans had for replacing the Panther and Tiger II. We don't have blueprints for these tanks but the WG take on them contradicts known details like the plan for both E-50 and E-75 to share a new lower profile turret for the 88mm L/71. I believe there were also plans to experiment with the 105mm gun but rejected because it was inferior to the 88mm in the anti-tank role.

 

As for the E-100, the turret is pretty much fiction, the prototype was supposed to use a Maus turret and then there would be a redesigned Tiger II like version with curved sides and a flat face for production. Jg.Pz E100 is based on german plans to put that gun on the E100 chassis, but the casemate itself is purely invented and according to an expert simply not possible because of the suspension loads.






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