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DeadLecter #1 Posted 07 June 2018 - 11:51 AM

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Waffentrager auf Pz.IV

Avg dmg per shot: 560

In game not even 1 shot did the average dmg



Homer_J #2 Posted 07 June 2018 - 11:53 AM

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How many kill shots?

Dava_117 #3 Posted 07 June 2018 - 11:56 AM

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Happens. Had the same a couple of days ago. It's in the nature of random to have those situation... not much we can do about it. ;)

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View PostHomer_J, on 07 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

How many kill shots?

 

From the screenshot I'd say 6 shots and 1 kill.

 

But regardless, people seem to believe that RNG would actually balance anything out over the cause of one battle... that is not the case.. He still somehow forgets the battles where he had 6 continous high roles in a row. :amazed:



Ze_HOFF_fverhoef #5 Posted 07 June 2018 - 12:08 PM

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You play WoT windowed instead of full screen???

DeadLecter #6 Posted 07 June 2018 - 12:08 PM

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View PostAdwaenyth, on 07 June 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

 

From the screenshot I'd say 6 shots and 1 kill.

 

But regardless, people seem to believe that RNG would actually balance anything out over the cause of one battle... that is not the case.. He still somehow forgets the battles where he had 6 continous high roles in a row. :amazed:

 

Those are way less than the battles I get screwed over. If I get one battle with mostly high rolls, I get at least 3 battles with mostly low rolls. Plus there are battles where RNG makes me lose while rarely it helps me win or at least that's how it feels

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View PostZe_HOFF_fverhoef, on 07 June 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

You play WoT windowed instead of full screen???

 

yeah I have a habbit of surfing the web between MM read some usefull stuff

Ze_HOFF_fverhoef #8 Posted 07 June 2018 - 12:12 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 07 June 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

yeah I have a habbit of surfing the web between MM read some usefull stuff

 

Then you must have some pretty awesome gaming rig, to still have such a FPS rate. 

For me the whole game feels really sluggish in Windowed mode.



DeadLecter #9 Posted 07 June 2018 - 12:14 PM

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View PostZe_HOFF_fverhoef, on 07 June 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

 

Then you must have some pretty awesome gaming rig, to still have such a FPS rate. 

For me the whole game feels really sluggish in Windowed mode.

 

No nothing special. in fact its pretty low spec. Gtx 750 Ti+ i3 4170 and 8 Gb of ram.

Pretty much not even the Min req for most of today's games



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ever seen a 20 pounder low roll? it hurts my soul. :unsure:

Adwaenyth #11 Posted 07 June 2018 - 12:30 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 07 June 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

 

Those are way less than the battles I get screwed over. If I get one battle with mostly high rolls, I get at least 3 battles with mostly low rolls. Plus there are battles where RNG makes me lose while rarely it helps me win or at least that's how it feels

 

That's just a feeling. Take a few hundred replays and compute the deviation of your damage rolls on non-kill hits. You will see that you are very close to or on the median.

 

The problem is that you will remember those battles profoundly negative and remember that most about the battle. You will rarely remember the battles where everything went well for you. It's a psychological thing.



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Last game i played in Even90 a few months ago i circled a skorp G  with auto aim and missed it with all 3 shots only to do almost the same thing 30 seconds later and miss it with 2. Couldn't play it after that .  I probably could have gotten a better hit rate with a kv2 circling that skorp using a removed speed governor and a dead gunner.

DeadLecter #13 Posted 07 June 2018 - 12:52 PM

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View PostAdwaenyth, on 07 June 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

 

That's just a feeling. Take a few hundred replays and compute the deviation of your damage rolls on non-kill hits. You will see that you are very close to or on the median.

 

The problem is that you will remember those battles profoundly negative and remember that most about the battle. You will rarely remember the battles where everything went well for you. It's a psychological thing.

well It shouldnt be like that. Its like a football match where the referee screws one team over. Its sth we cant control and the worst part is sometimes it decides who wins and who loses

View PostSteel_Patriot, on 07 June 2018 - 03:08 PM, said:

Last game i played in Even90 a few months ago i circled a skorp G  with auto aim and missed it with all 3 shots only to do almost the same thing 30 seconds later and miss it with 2. Couldn't play it after that .  I probably could have gotten a better hit rate with a kv2 circling that skorp using a removed speed governor and a dead gunner.

Happened today in BC25t. Full mag against a 430 U. First shot hits, second shot miss third shot miss forth shot miss and finally I get his track with my last shot while all I needed was one shot to kill him and all of this happened at around 150 m from each other

 

 

 

 


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View PostAdwaenyth, on 07 June 2018 - 12:02 PM, said:

But regardless, people seem to believe that RNG would actually balance anything out over the cause of one battle... that is not the case.. He still somehow forgets the battles where he had 6 continous high roles in a row. :amazed:

 

But you don't take notice those. Just as no one notices their win streaks. It's only the low rolls and loss streaks ppl do take notice off oddly enough. 

 

View PostDeadLecter, on 07 June 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

well It shouldnt be like that. Its like a football match where the referee screws one team over. Its sth we cant control and the worst part is sometimes it decides who wins and who loses

 

But your entire team did not low roll constantly did they for the referee to notice? For all we know the battle before it, or after... You had more high rolls vs low rolls. 

 

Then again, after playing AW when they tested 0% RNG... I do see the benefits of it too. As if not. Playing +1 would even be the worst if you can't even pen anything without getting a high pen roll. As when they did their 0% tests. I did more running then fighting. 

 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 07 June 2018 - 04:18 PM.


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5 or less (if any of the shots were on hp lower than your maxroll, you need to disregard all those) shots are surely statistically significant...

 

It's just a case of confirmation bias.

 

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View PostZe_HOFF_fverhoef, on 07 June 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

You play WoT windowed instead of full screen???

 

yeah I have a habbit of surfing the web between MM read some usefull stuff
 

 

Try the borderless fullscreen. It will let you tab around just as quick as windowed but you won't get the ugly borders.

 


Edited by HugSeal, 07 June 2018 - 04:48 PM.


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View PostBalc0ra, on 07 June 2018 - 06:48 PM, said:

 

But you don't take notice those. Just as no one notices their win streaks. It's only the low rolls and loss streaks ppl do take notice off oddly enough. 

 

 

But your entire team did not low roll constantly did they for the referee to notice? For all we know the battle before it, or after... You had more high rolls vs low rolls. 

 

Then again, after playing AW when they tested 0% RNG... I do see the benefits of it too. As if not. Playing +1 would even be the worst if you can't even pen anything without getting a high pen roll. As when they did their 0% tests. I did more running then fighting. 

 

 

 

0% RNG wouldnt be good but +/-25% is too much and being on the -25% is not fun really. 

Btw I have a question, Are those shots that we miss or get blocked or richochet taken into account by RNG?

For example I shoot this guy and get blocked but if it had penned it would have been a high roll. So to keep the balance my next shot which pens does a low roll.

Is it this way or It only RNG works only when we deal dmg



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View PostHugSeal, on 07 June 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

5 or less (if any of the shots were on hp lower than your maxroll, you need to disregard all those) shots are surely statistically significant...

 

It's just a case of confirmation bias.

 

 

Try the borderless fullscreen. It will let you tab around just as quick as windowed but you won't get the ugly borders.

 

 

tnx for the Tip. Dont know why I never tried it though:ohmy:

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View PostDeadLecter, on 07 June 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

 

0% RNG wouldnt be good but +/-25% is too much and being on the -25% is not fun really. 

Btw I have a question, Are those shots that we miss or get blocked or richochet taken into account by RNG?

For example I shoot this guy and get blocked but if it had penned it would have been a high roll. So to keep the balance my next shot which pens does a low roll.

Is it this way or It only RNG works only when we deal dmg

 

As far as we know there is no forcing of averaging out. Each shot will be subjected to the same rng and won't take previous shots in account when rolling for pen/damage. It seems that it isn't taken into account due to the blocked damage always being the average alpha of the gun shooting you but even if it was that wouldn't matter for future shots. 

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View PostZe_HOFF_fverhoef, on 07 June 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

You play WoT windowed instead of full screen???

 

This is why his damage is less.  Smaller window.

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Is RNG actually really random?  I mean HAS anyone checked. It is supposed to be, it is claimed to be but have we any proof? 




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