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CaptainMastiff #1 Posted 07 June 2018 - 10:21 PM

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How many games until we have a sample big enough to prove the matchmaker is dog toffee and caters purely to the tier 9/10 tanks so that they can club people?

WarGaming, all replays are available for examination if you wish to dispute how terrible this sample of games is.

 

 

 

*Game 1 – 9/8/7 Siegfried Line Assault
*Game 2 – 10/9/8 Overlord Standard
*Game 3 – 9/8 Paris Standard
*Game 4 - 9/8 Ruinberg Standard
*Game 5 – 10/9/8 Himmelsdorf Encounter
*Game 6 – 10/9/8 Province (LOL) Standard
*Game 7 – 10/9/8 El Haluf Standard
*Game 8 – 9/8 Mountain pass Standard
*Game 9 – 8 only Murovanka Standard
*Game 10 – 10/9/8 Mannerheim Line Standard
*Game 11 – 10/9/8 Westfield Standard
*Game 12 – 8 only Sand River Encounter
*Game 13 – 9/8 Glacier Standard
*Game 14- 10/9/8 Abbey Standard
*Game 15 – 10/9/8 Mines Standard
*Game 16 – 8 only Redshire Standard
Game 17 – 9/8 Himmelsdorf Encounter (1)
*Game 18 – 9/8 Siegfried Line Assault (0)
*Game 19 – 10/9/8 Overlord Standard
*Game 20 – 9/8 Karelia Standard (0)
*Game 21 – 9/8 Mountain Pass Standard (1)
*Game 22 – 9/8 Ruinberg Encounter (0)
*Game 23 – 10/9/8 Mannerheim Line Standard
*Game 24 – 9/8 Erlenberg Standard (2)
*Game 25 – 9/8 Fjords Standard (2)
*Game 26 - 9/8 Erlenberg Assault (0)
*Game 27 - 10/9/8 Redshire Encounter *At this point I'm going to only fire APCR*
*Game 28 - 9/8/7 Ensk Encounter (First time seeing a tier 7 for 27 games!) (0)
*Game 29 - 8 only Mountain pass Standard (2)
*Game 30 - 8/7/6 El Haluf (0) HOLY [edited], MY FIRST EVER TOP TIER GAME... 2xarty, 2xONi, x 2 OI, shame about my armour :(
*Game 31 - 8 only Steppes Standard (6)(20 Premium tanks)
*Game 32 - 10/9/8 Malinovka Encounter
*Game 33 - 8 only Province Standard (6) *Game 34 - 8/7/6 Erlenberg Assault (0) (I've seen tier 6 tanks twice in 4 games!)
*Game 35 - 10/9/8 Hitlersdorf Standard (I guess I must pay, two top tier games in the last 4 is too much, time to be bottom tier for another 30 games)
*Game 36 - 9/8 Westfield Standard (1)
*Game 36 - 9/8 Airfield Standard (Marks the half way point for the grind 75k done) (0)
*Game 37 - 10/9/8 El Haluf Encounter (Two HEAT spamming M48s making this even more fun!)
*Game 38 - 10/9/8 Fisherman's bay Standard (Our M48 spammed heat for victory hurrah!)
*Game 39 - 10/9/8 Lakeville Encounter

 


I started at this point recording the number of preferential matchmaker tanks because they're the issue causing this terrible MM, right? (They're in brackets!)


*Game 40 - 9/8 Sand river Standard (3) (most enjoyable game so far today)
*Game 41 - 10/9/8 Karelia Assault
*Game 42 - 8/7 Serene coast Standard (0)
*Game 43 - 9/8 Mannerheim Line (0)
*Game 44 - 9/8 Ruinberg Standard (0)
*Game 45 - 9/8 Redshire Standard (3)
*Game 46 - 10/9/8 El Haluf Standard 222222222!22twotwo22"""22 (Most memorable game, 4 tanks vs 1, enemy gets itself off the cliff but survive, 3 tanks suicide their way to disappointment, one smart player after trying various attempts goes to cap)
*Game 47 - 9/8 Hiitlersdorf Standard (0)
*Game 48 - 10/9/8 Fjords Standard (The losing side, [edited]you Fjords)
*Game 49 - 8/7/6 Abbey Standard (0)
*Game 50 - 8/7/6 Siegfried Line Standard (0)
*Game 51 - 8 only Serene coast Standard (3)
*Game 52 - 8/7/6 Malinovka Standard (0)
*Game 53 - 10/9/8/ Airfield Standard (Fair enough 3 top tiers in the last 4!)
*Game 54 - 10/9/8 Cliff Standard (Shittest game so far in the entire grind, was a complete sack of crap, tank is too slow to go anywhere on this map)
*Game 55 - 8/7/6 Live oaks Standard (1)
*Game 56 - 9/8 Murovanka Encounter (0)
*Game 57 - 10/9/8 Siegfried line Assault
*Game 58 - 10/9/8 Tundra Standard (Very bad map for this tank)
*Game 59 - 9/8 Karelia Assault (1) (Harsh carry but still a loss, none of our 9s did more than 1.5k damage)
*Game 60 - 8 only Ruinberg Standard (2)
*Game 61 - 10/9/8 Glacier Standard (Another terrible position, literally can't leave base without being spotted)
*Game 62 - 10/9/8 Province Standard


Edited by CaptainMastiff, 07 June 2018 - 10:22 PM.


signal11th #2 Posted 07 June 2018 - 10:35 PM

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Nice to see some work involved but to be honest everyone knows WG are talking complete nonsense about PMM being a problem,

DeadLecter #3 Posted 07 June 2018 - 10:45 PM

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View Postsignal11th, on 08 June 2018 - 01:05 AM, said:

Nice to see some work involved but to be honest everyone knows WG are talking complete nonsense about PMM being a problem,

 

PMM is not the problem its just probabely they havent earned enough mone from selling them so with new changes they are gonna earn some more. Thats it. WG never does anything unless its for the sole purpose of profit

LordMuffin #4 Posted 08 June 2018 - 12:35 AM

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13 top tiers (no higher tiered enemies), not to bad in 62 games, that is, after all, 20% top tiered.

Btw, did you change tank after 39 games to a TD/light/arty?



thestaggy #5 Posted 08 June 2018 - 07:57 AM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 08 June 2018 - 12:35 AM, said:

13 top tiers (no higher tiered enemies), not to bad in 62 games, that is, after all, 20% top tiered.

Btw, did you change tank after 39 games to a TD/light/arty?

 

And of those only 5 occasions where he was +2. Conversely, he spent 23 battles as a -2 bottom tier, or 37% of his games being useless canon fodder.

 

It is bad, very bad.



Cobra6 #6 Posted 08 June 2018 - 08:56 AM

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I might be missing something but what tier where you playing yourself?

 

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Dr_ownape #7 Posted 08 June 2018 - 09:22 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 08 June 2018 - 07:56 AM, said:

I might be missing something but what tier where you playing yourself?

 

Cobra 6

 

I'd guess tier 8 by game 9 and 16 :hiding:

 

Anyway OP - so you took a tier 8 out in 62 games and had +2 MM 24 times in 62 games?? i would be happy with those odds



LordMuffin #8 Posted 08 June 2018 - 09:43 AM

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View Postthestaggy, on 08 June 2018 - 07:57 AM, said:

 

And of those only 5 occasions where he was +2. Conversely, he spent 23 battles as a -2 bottom tier, or 37% of his games being useless canon fodder.

 

It is bad, very bad.

I would count myself lucky with that MM distribution in a T8 medium/heavy.



tankqull #9 Posted 08 June 2018 - 09:44 AM

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View PostDr_ownape, on 08 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

 

I'd guess tier 8 by game 9 and 16 :hiding:

 

Anyway OP - so you took a tier 8 out in 62 games and had +2 MM 24 times in 62 games?? i would be happy with those odds

 

this, out of the 146 games i currently have at t8 as replays wot analyzer shows me a whoping 14 T6 tanks to be faced with...

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View Posttankqull, on 08 June 2018 - 08:44 AM, said:

 

this, out of the 146 games i currently have at t8 as replays wot analyzer shows me a whoping 14 T6 tanks to be faced with...

 

I was just about to downaload aim_Drol analyzer and check out my M41 90mm games as ive only brought it recently. My brian tells me I've seen a lot os TX but then I've quited early when i died so not sure how accurate it would be

CaptainMastiff #11 Posted 08 June 2018 - 11:41 AM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 08 June 2018 - 12:35 AM, said:

13 top tiers (no higher tiered enemies), not to bad in 62 games, that is, after all, 20% top tiered.

Btw, did you change tank after 39 games to a TD/light/arty?



You can't include +/- 0MM as top tier... it's not exactly top tier, In my opinion it is the best case scenario and I was over the moon to get Tier 8 only games.

This grind has been a Tier 8 IS-M tank only played solo.


 

View PostCobra6, on 08 June 2018 - 08:56 AM, said:

I might be missing something but what tier where you playing yourself?

 

Cobra 6

 

 

Yep, (Obviously tier 8, I've not made it clear in this post since its a continuation of my last moan on a nother thread) the entirety of it has been by myself so far. Prior to starting this list I had played about 10 or so games with friends in a 3 man platoon and all 10 or so games were 10/9/8 (as expected really).


Edited by CaptainMastiff, 08 June 2018 - 11:53 AM.


Sirebellus #12 Posted 08 June 2018 - 12:12 PM

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So far this week I have played 69 games in my T8 Caernarvon... I've twice been top tier in a 5/10, and seven times been top tier in a 3/5/7 - also 7 games mid tier in a 3/5/7

So 27% of games have had lower tier tanks


All games standard randoms (no assault/encounter), no platoons

 



CaptainMastiff #13 Posted 08 June 2018 - 12:20 PM

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View PostSirebellus, on 08 June 2018 - 12:12 PM, said:

So far this week I have played 69 games in my T8 Caernarvon... I've twice been top tier in a 5/10, and seven times been top tier in a 3/5/7 - also 7 games mid tier in a 3/5/7

So 27% of games have had lower tier tanks


All games standard randoms (no assault/encounter), no platoons

 

 


The Caernarvon when fully upgraded for me was at least workable in this current MM, I managed to three mark the tank when I hadn't seen top tier or tier only for approximately 30 games. It was still frustrating as [edited]to play though as this current MM just wants to shaft you permanently.

Balc0ra #14 Posted 08 June 2018 - 12:39 PM

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Out of curiosity, were they all on the same server? As if you do 68 on the other server, at different times even. The results might differ. Not saying you will see more top tiers. You might even see more tier X's. 

 

View PostCaptainMastiff, on 07 June 2018 - 10:21 PM, said:

How many games until we have a sample big enough to prove the matchmaker is dog toffee and caters purely to the tier 9/10 tanks so that they can club people?

 

You had 24 games with +2 in a tier 8 out of 68 games? And that's bad? Most would be happy with that day. Or do you want +0 all day long as you said 9/10. As +0 is my issue with tier 8 MM tbh, not +1 or 2. Well 3-5-7 in general. But +0 more so. 

 

On some like my CDA 105 or my ELC even 90. I don't mind it. As the higher the tier, the more HP on the enemy team to farm and assist vs top tier. As I've not aced my CDA once as top tier. I've only gotten enough damage to do it in +1 and 2 games. As farming tier 6 HP is not gonna do it That and +2 is better for income on some of my prems tbh. Then again on others like my T69 "yes I actually like that tank" +2 is less then ideal due to the lower pen then other tier 8 US meds. And it struggles more with the armor meta on tier X of late. Or even equal tier games due to the armor meta there of late too. Equal tier games are the reason I don't play my IS-6 that much anymore. Since 217 gold pen won't reliably do much vs the HT's there of late. It oddly enough fairs better vs +1 with all the T-10's there now vs all the VK 100.01 and Patriots. 



AliceUnchained #15 Posted 09 June 2018 - 10:06 AM

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Just do a few more sets of 62 games, and compare the results. If they do not differ significantly to one another or the whole data set, you can take 62 games as a proper sample size.

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also you have to factor in the time when you play. Frontline and whatever else tier locked modes will effect the MM.

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I played a lot of t8 yesterday and its a mess, constant t10. Its been exasperated by the intro of the OP t10s as well so its ended up a two pronged problem. The fact I bounced 2 gold shots of the rear of a type 5 yesterday, he was slightly angled and I was on the move... but really?

T8 just isnt fun anymore WG have managed to cripple the cash cow, throw in the ridiculous PM plans and its not looking good at all.


They need to do a major rethink, Ive spent literally 1000s on this game and was quite happy with my investment and was willing to invest further. Im on the brink of leaving, yesterday was a test, I'll try again today but I have a feeling i'll be loading up Steam and looking for something new.

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Well there is only the amount of tanks available that players have pressed battle on. Besides that no one have ever promised anyone that they could be top tier. If you only want to play wot when you are top tier you might want to reconsider playing wot at all. (Or alternatively only play tier 10)

Personally I don't mind being low tier in most tanks except of cause in slow heavy tanks. The rest handles it for the most part fine and you can pen most +2 tanks with some intellect or gold.


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tohtorikuolema #19 Posted 09 June 2018 - 03:31 PM

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Whenever I hop on my trusted creditgrinder, löwe, I just press 3 at the start of the battle by reflex.  No point to even try with gold against tX, just load HE and track them, it's pretty much all you can do before messy death.

AliceUnchained #20 Posted 09 June 2018 - 07:26 PM

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View Posttohtorikuolema, on 09 June 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

Whenever I hop on my trusted creditgrinder, löwe, I just press 3 at the start of the battle by reflex.  No point to even try with gold against tX, just load HE and track them, it's pretty much all you can do before messy death.

 

At 232 mm base penetration the Lowe is one of few Tier VIII which can hurt higher Tiers rather reliably even using standard AP rounds, and 294 mm premium penetration really is more than enough to deal with practically anything. When hull down the Lowe is also capable of resisting a fair amount of rounds fired at it.

 

Your comment here is born of a complete lack of understanding of the game, even at a basic level. No surprise given your battle count (and assuming it's your one and only game account). As such, the advise here is to drop down to lower Tiers for a while; 473 damage per battle with the Lowe is nothing short of terrible and you're just a liability to whatever team you're in when playing it.






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