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StinkyStonky #1 Posted 08 June 2018 - 11:01 AM

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The "Arms Race" campaign is going to provide the opportunity for "ordinary" players to bid for reward tanks in an auction after the event.

 

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/content/docs/arms-race-regulations/

 

Section 13 (right at the bottom) says

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 Players who entered the Alley of Fame, but did not finish in the top 9,000 and did not receive the option to exchange bonds for vehicles, can take part in the Bond Auction and try to win one of three clan vehicles (М60, 121В, Т95Е6).

 

The minimum bid is 5000 bonds, there are 120 tanks available and 24,000 players (15k outside of the top 9k) eligible to bid.

 

Obviously there will be plenty of players who don't even have the 5k minimum but of those that do and who want a reward tank, how high do you think the bids will go and what do you think the lowest winning bid will be ?

 

My guess is ~8k bonds.

 



_Crusad3r_ #2 Posted 08 June 2018 - 11:13 AM

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This is one of the dumbest things WG ever came up with - you earn a tank from the campaign by playing and winning battles and actually trying - not saving up bonds (I have nearly 12k because improved equipment is meh but I am still in top 700 for getting a tank) and being able to enter a lottery to get a tank - basically giving away some reward tanks to people who don't deserve them or didn't earn them...

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if you bid 8k for one of those 3 tanks, you don't deserve to own bonds



StinkyStonky #4 Posted 08 June 2018 - 11:48 AM

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What if you bid 5K, do you deserve to own any then ?

 

What if you bid ALL your bonds, then you wont have any left, would that make you happy ?

 

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View PostStinkyStonky, on 08 June 2018 - 10:48 AM, said:

What if you bid 5K, do you deserve to own any then ?

 

No you spend 2 weeks playing a campaign grinding out fame points like everyone else.

 

What if you bid ALL your bonds, then you wont have any left, would that make you happy ?

 

Nah I am waiting to see if WG bring out premium ammo for bonds so I can make all the scrubs cry with my OP bonds ammo POGGERS

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StinkyStonky #6 Posted 08 June 2018 - 11:52 AM

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View Post_Crusad3r_, on 08 June 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

... being able to enter a lottery to get a tank - basically giving away some reward tanks to people who don't deserve them or didn't earn them...

How very socialist of you.

 

WG have always "Pay to win/progress/own/whatever".

 

It's hardly surprising they're offering this.  They saw the money no object feeding frenzy over the type 59 and Christmas.

 

And anyway, anyone who has earned enough bonds to place a winning bid, absolutely HAS earned their reward tank.

 

I'm just curious what people think that level will be.



StinkyStonky #7 Posted 08 June 2018 - 11:53 AM

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View Post_Crusad3r_, on 08 June 2018 - 10:50 AM, said:

No you spend 2 weeks playing a campaign grinding out fame points like everyone else.

 

Well this thread isn't about whether you think this is a good idea or not.  It's happening, so grow up and get over it.



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View PostStinkyStonky, on 08 June 2018 - 10:52 AM, said:

How very socialist of you.

 

WG have always "Pay to win/progress/own/whatever".

 

It's hardly surprising they're offering this.  They saw the money no object feeding frenzy over the type 59 and Christmas.

 

This is the first - and hopefully the last - time they do this. Selling premiums again is fine but reward tanks are there to be earned - its just like paying people to do personal missions for you so you can get the 260 for example...

 

And anyway, anyone who has earned enough bonds to place a winning bid, absolutely HAS earned their reward tank.

 

So I play tier 10 mostly in randoms, I played Frontline and got league 1 in Ranked battles so I have around 12k bonds but I also have spent every night playing battles to get fame points for tanks just like everyone else has been because you play a campaign to get a reward tank. You play randoms for XP, credits and bonds if you play those tiers. Frontline I played for credits and the styles but also got the bonds for the achievements. I played ranked battles for the bonds. Just because I earned alot of bonds in these game modes doesn't mean I earned a reward tank otherwise whats the point in having a campaign if you can just join a lottery for a tank?

 

I'm just curious what people think that level will be.

 

View PostStinkyStonky, on 08 June 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

 

Well this thread isn't about whether you think this is a good idea or not.  It's happening, so grow up and get over it.

 

Its related to the topic so yeah I will just say that this just allows terrible players who are either too bad or too lazy to play the campaign to earn you're spot in the top 9000. 

 



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View Post_Crusad3r_, on 08 June 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

its just like paying people to do personal missions for you so you can get the 260 for example

I think it's much more like using orders to skip missions to get the 260.  Both involve spending in game currency that has to be earned and (so far) cannot be bought for cash.

 

View Post_Crusad3r_, on 08 June 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

Just because I earned alot of bonds in these game modes doesn't mean I earned a reward tank otherwise whats the point in having a campaign if you can just join a lottery for a tank?

What if, like me, you were on holiday for the first week of the campaign ?  That might mean you dodn't make the top 9k.

What if your 12k bonds isn't enough to win one of the 120 tanks ?  What if the players who get them have worked much harder than you to get 15k or 20k bonds ?

 

Your purist stance that only taking part in campaigns earns tanks is just petty.  WG are trying to keep this game alive and the best way to do that is with a diverse set of game modes, challenges, marathons and specials that appeals to the widest audience possible.

Your notion that only players who have performed in a campaign "deserve" a reward tank is just mean spirited.  9000 reward tanks will be earned in this campaign and this is the what, the 8th or 9th campaign ?  So there are 10s of thousands of players who have reward tanks, many have several and most of the unicorns have all of them.

So if WG harvest 120,000 bonds for 120 reward tanks, in the grand scheme of things it will make no difference, except to green eyed spite mongers who can't stand the possibility of somebody else getting something.



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View PostStinkyStonky, on 08 June 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

I think it's much more like using orders to skip missions to get the 260.  Both involve spending in game currency that has to be earned and (so far) cannot be bought for cash.

 

Well the orders were put in to replace the fact that you now need to complete all 5 tank classes missions instead of previously where you could do 4 with honours and skip a set. WG gave orders out but my point is people pay actual money to players to play their account to do personal missions for them XD

 

What if, like me, you were on holiday for the first week of the campaign ?  That might mean you dodn't make the top 9k. Well then there isn't much you can do - I managed to get a tank in the Gambit campaign when I worked nightshifts so I missed the last 2 hours of prime time. I even had time to play other peoples accounts to get them fame points because that's not illegal.

What if your 12k bonds isn't enough to win one of the 120 tanks ?  What if the players who get them have worked much harder than you to get 15k or 20k bonds ?

Well that's my problem with it - its a lottery - whoever bets the most wins - nothing to do with skill or anything just how many bonds you've saved which negates "earning" a tank - its like playing randoms and ranked and barely playing CW to then get a tank without actually playing the campaign - sounds stupid but it kinda makes sense if you actually think about what I am getting at.

 

Your purist stance that only taking part in campaigns earns tanks is just petty.  WG are trying to keep this game alive and the best way to do that is with a diverse set of game modes, challenges, marathons and specials that appeals to the widest audience possible.

 

Yeah...lets go down the route of the Chinese server where they sell the WT auf Pz E100, M60, 907, VK etc for money - amazing idea - oh wait. Now there is no point to campaigns if you can just pull your wallet out....

 

Your notion that only players who have performed in a campaign "deserve" a reward tank is just mean spirited.  9000 reward tanks will be earned in this campaign and this is the what, the 8th or 9th campaign ?  So there are 10s of thousands of players who have reward tanks, many have several and most of the unicorns have all of them. Yeah and did those players earn those tanks? Yes they did. They played the campaign and grinded to earn them so why should you get it handed to you on a plate? 

So if WG harvest 120,000 bonds for 120 reward tanks, in the grand scheme of things it will make no difference, except to green eyed spite mongers who can't stand the possibility of somebody else getting something. Nope because it removes the novelty and satisfaction you get from earning it - we all earned our reward tanks in CW but you can just spend some ingame currency for them - so fair. Oh wait.

 



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View Post_Crusad3r_, on 08 June 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

orders were put in to replace ... all 5 tank classes missions ... could do 4 with honours

Doesn't negate my point that it's an in game currency used to buy reward tanks.  I completed the 2 sets with honours and so have 10 orders to buy my way past missions.  On the day this new feature came out LOTS of 260s were bought.

View Post_Crusad3r_, on 08 June 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

my point is people pay actual money to players to play their account to do personal missions for them XD

 

I'm sure you're right.  In our discussion about ELO based match making in Strongholds the commander of a rather large unicorn clan admitted that he hadn't played his own account as he was "helping a friend out".  I said then and it's still true, I don't care.  If people want to pay cash or sexual favours or whatever for someone else to play their account, I don't care.

 

View Post_Crusad3r_, on 08 June 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

I even had time to play other peoples accounts to get them fame points because that's not illegal.

I thought account sharing was against the rules, but whatever.  As I said, I don't care.  It's been long known that players have "bought" reward tanks by paying their way into top clans and being carried in return for some payment.  As I said, I don't care.  It doesn't affect me.

 

View Post_Crusad3r_, on 08 June 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

Well that's my problem with it - its a lottery - whoever bets the most wins

No, it'a an auction.  Who ever bids the most pays the most.  They pay with currency that they earned.  Earning that many bonds required skill, commitment, dedication and discipline.  It's a MUCH harder route than merely being in the top 9000.

Being in the top 9000 could easily be achieved just by being in the right clan.  One way to do that might be to change clan 14 times in the past 3 1/2 years.  This new mechanism provides a way for players with loyalty to get a reward tank they clearly deserve.

 

View Post_Crusad3r_, on 08 June 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

there is no point to campaigns if you can just pull your wallet out....

 

I think all the people that grind their way through marathons would disagree with you there.  There's lots of point.  It saves money.

 

View Post_Crusad3r_, on 08 June 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

why should you get it handed to you on a plate? 

 

The 120 players who win the auctions will have put in an awful lot more effort over a much greater amount of time than the players who are gifted them for being in the top 9000.  That's a much easier way to get a reward tank.  That's the real way to get handed it on a plate, not the auction that is likely to be hugely expensive.

 



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I liked campaigns better when you just either got the tank or nothing. 

Basically since they aren't releasing new tanks, i think a reasonable way would be chosing between either one of the reward-tanks or a lumpsum of bonds.

This "winning the right to buy" thing just feels wrong all together.



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View PostStinkyStonky, on 08 June 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

I thought account sharing was against the rules, but whatever.  As I said, I don't care.  It's been long known that players have "bought" reward tanks by paying their way into top clans and being carried in return for some payment.  As I said, I don't care.  It doesn't affect me.

 

No, it'a an auction.  Who ever bids the most pays the most.  They pay with currency that they earned.  Earning that many bonds required skill, commitment, dedication and discipline.  It's a MUCH harder route than merely being in the top 9000.

Being in the top 9000 could easily be achieved just by being in the right clan.  One way to do that might be to change clan 14 times in the past 3 1/2 years.  This new mechanism provides a way for players with loyalty to get a reward tank they clearly deserve.

 

I think all the people that grind their way through marathons would disagree with you there.  There's lots of point.  It saves money.

 

The 120 players who win the auctions will have put in an awful lot more effort over a much greater amount of time than the players who are gifted them for being in the top 9000.  That's a much easier way to get a reward tank.  That's the real way to get handed it on a plate, not the auction that is likely to be hugely expensive.

 

 

Where I come from you deserve something by fighting for it and being better than your competitors for it, not by being a constant failure and getting participation trophies.

 

Wait are you saying that "deserving" is when basically where you some retard who can't play, run around with 42% winrate but spams so many battles that he or she gets a ton of bonds should get the tanks rather than those who can actually organize together and beat others? Yes you do have to chose a clan that has the capability, but capability of a clan is dependent on who is accepted into it. For example if all memebers of FAME left and FAME was filled with 200-wn8 red-bobs, then FAME would not get any tanks anymore. So good clans generally don't accept new members that aren't at least close to their average ability, and usually prefer recruiting players who are better than their average ability.

If you find a clan where bad players can just join and get tons of playtime and easy tank without being good enough, please tell me where so i can join them next campaign and just sail through it without any effort or worry and get free tanku.

 

I think what is illegal is to give out your account info to someone else, not to receive and use somebody elses account information.

 

You get the all the other 55~ or so tanks through grinding like an idiot, can we not just let these 3-5 reward tanks be deserved in a competitive way?



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of course I missed your last clan campaign, 1 fight I have not played as well as 50% of those I know, we have 4000 but for us tank no
Why play we do not need you
Each campaign the participants decrease YOU know WHY
When I get my 907 for 4000 then I will play a campaign
I AM NOT ONLY AND YOU KNOW YOU
50% are gone

HITRUSSE #15 Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:26 AM

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907 - 4000 bonds
these 3 weaker than 907 - starting at 5000 and ,,,,,,,,,, you can buy 2,3 ,,,,, 907 great idea
bonds are difficult to collect
Will you buy an old car at the price of a new one
by paying for it
I have a suggestion for these
I can sell my old car to you for 20 years
I want to buy the last model with the winnings from the sale
I hope for great success


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my English is the same as your attitude to the players who play your game - NO ENGLISH UNDERSTAND
Why so?


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View PostStinkyStonky, on 08 June 2018 - 01:57 PM, said:

Earning that many bonds required skill, commitment, dedication and discipline.  It's a MUCH harder route than merely being in the top 9000.

 

Lol. No.

 

 

 

The main fault with the auction imo is that it's pure Bonds.

If it was Bonds+Fame points in campaign it would make more sense.



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View PostStinkyStonky, on 08 June 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

I thought account sharing was against the rules

no

View PostStinkyStonky, on 08 June 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

Earning that many bonds required skill, commitment, dedication and discipline.

or playing some shitty unrelated game modes months ago



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Is Obj.907 for sale too?

If yes shut up and take my money....



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View PostStinkyStonky, on 08 June 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

Earning that many bonds required skill, commitment, dedication and discipline.

 

Honestly no. Earning bonds can be achieved at your own pace, especially if you enjoy TX play. While playing CW takes a good chunk out your time at pre-determined times & you got to play good. We got a few Dingers who left the clan to chase their CW tank rewards. They still had to carry their own weight in battle. It's not a simple 'we gonna carry you to the top' You got to put effort in it, else your team is still a tank down if you can't play well.

The lottery system you advocate actually promotes clan-riders. Player with big fat stock of bonds joins clan, clan does some games so he's in the lottery & no longer needs to play. Player is now eligible for bond-auction & thanks to his stack of bonds can be assured to have at least one CW tank. If not, he can carry his growing stack of bonds from TX play to the next CW campaign.

 

Tbh, CW tanks should go to those who earned it by playing CW. Not by people who participated & simply had the bonds lying around to get one.

This CW campaign is simply badly organized reward-wise.

But according to you, it's fine that people who put in effort to get a CW tank don't get one because they lacked bonds (top 9K still has to pay bonds after all) & people who just rode along in a clan get one by amount of bonds they collected out the game.

 

PS: I play ranked once (got lowest tier), play TX casually & had some fun in FL, but far from the best player there. I still got nearly 6K bonds that way & it took me nearly 0 effort (the 250 bonds from ranked were actually the most effort...)







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