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Poll: Making STB-1 Competetive again (41 members have cast votes)

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What kind of buffs suits more your STB-1 playstyle?

  1. Overall Armor THICC-ness increase (3 votes [7.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.32%

  2. Gun Handling adjustment (35 votes [85.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.37%

  3. Other. Wut? (3 votes [7.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.32%

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Getern #1 Posted 08 June 2018 - 01:24 PM

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Hello there.
I made entire thread about how STB-1 is performing in current state of the game. Go check it out if u want to get more info about the tank.
http://forum.worldof...#entry15827900.


TL;DR Summary:
- unreliable turret armor;
- lack of sidescrapping possibilities;
- poor gun handling;
- poor accuracy;
+ second best DPM;
+ gun depression (-10);

- lack of gun elevation;
+ mediciore mobility;
- high fall damage;
- artilery and HE vulnerability;
- poor camo.

My proposal is the same as I stated in the linked topic. Lets make STB-1 a hull-down beast. Gun handling is abomination, so lets compensate with armor. That would fit current Meta perfectly. 

Potential Buffs:
+ 300mm of "effective" armor on entire turret. Weakspot should absorb certain hits as well;
+ 50mm on upper plate below the turret to prevent overmathes from heavies;
+ 110mm on entire front plate not just on edge;
Optional:
+ 45-50mm side armor.



Dava_117 #2 Posted 08 June 2018 - 01:32 PM

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There are already enought tanks with overbuffed armour. Give it better gun handling and some mobility, maybe reducing terrain resistance.



arthurwellsley #3 Posted 08 June 2018 - 01:41 PM

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STB-1 was supposed to be a ridge sniper, thats what the line leading up to it is consistent about STA, and Type 61. The Type 61 has that huge weakspot on the top which the STB-1 does not have. The thing that makes the STB-1 so useless were the buffs to the M48 Patton which then became the best ridge fighter in tier X. Neither really needs turret armour if the Patton gun handling were on both. The buffed Patton is the snap shoot king of tier X, which means less time with the turret exposed, and so no real need for turret or UFP armour buffs.

 

If the STB-1 had the same gun handling stats as the Patton it would be fine.


Edited by arthurwellsley, 08 June 2018 - 01:42 PM.


Dr_ownape #4 Posted 08 June 2018 - 01:46 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 08 June 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

 

 

If the STB-1 had the same gun handling stats as the Patton it would be fine. I would grind the type 61 and get it

 



Solstad1069 #5 Posted 08 June 2018 - 01:54 PM

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Jap medium line is....

 

A.......................................I..................................................M......................................................... and miss.

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Getern #6 Posted 08 June 2018 - 01:56 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 08 June 2018 - 01:32 PM, said:

There are already enought tanks with overbuffed armour. Give it better gun handling and some mobility, maybe reducing terrain resistance.

 

View Postarthurwellsley, on 08 June 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

STB-1 was supposed to be a ridge sniper, thats what the line leading up to it is consistent about STA, and Type 61. The Type 61 has that huge weakspot on the top which the STB-1 does not have. The thing that makes the STB-1 so useless were the buffs to the M48 Patton which then became the best ridge fighter in tier X. Neither really needs turret armour if the Patton gun handling were on both. The buffed Patton is the snap shoot king of tier X, which means less time with the turret exposed, and so no real need for turret or UFP armour buffs.

 

If the STB-1 had the same gun handling stats as the Patton it would be fine.

 

Yes, I dont mind better gun hadling. Its my go to feature in most cases. But I am proposing something different becasue other tanks already have decent gun handling. I am proposing touch of diversity. You guys mentioned ridge fighting. There is only Patton, that can handle that role reliably currently and the tank is all about gun handling. The other way around could be done with longer exposure thanks to reliable turret.

Basically what I read from your responses is that u want to have slower AMX30B. We already have that and its called Centurion AX.

CaptainMastiff #7 Posted 08 June 2018 - 02:21 PM

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Debuff all the other power creeping tanks!

Dava_117 #8 Posted 08 June 2018 - 02:24 PM

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View PostGetern, on 08 June 2018 - 01:56 PM, said:

 

 

Yes, I dont mind better gun hadling. Its my go to feature in most cases. But I am proposing something different becasue other tanks already have decent gun handling. I am proposing touch of diversity. You guys mentioned ridge fighting. There is only Patton, that can handle that role reliably currently and the tank is all about gun handling. The other way around could be done with longer exposure thanks to reliable turret.

Basically what I read from your responses is that u want to have slower AMX30B. We already have that and its called Centurion AX.

 

To be fair, ridgeline and hulldown are the most used tactic in tier 10...

All the soviet med, AMX30, CAX, Patton are all hulldown monster. All have really strong turret, some with more gun dep, so can work on ridgeline, some are better on on plain huldown.

With turret armour STB-1 would became another general strong turret MT, but very frustrating to play thanks to the bad gun handling.

With good gunhandling and agility, instead, we would have a quite unic tank. Apart from Leo1, there aren't any other single shot MT similar to STB-I.


Edited by Dava_117, 08 June 2018 - 02:24 PM.


Shaade_Silentpaw #9 Posted 08 June 2018 - 02:26 PM

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I have the STB-1 unlocked but have never bought/played it - mostly because it just seems pointless compared to most other Tier X mediums now. (and also because I hated aesthetic deifference of the HD model update, but that can be modded)

 

A gun handling buff would make me much more interested in actually buying it - but I would also love to see something regarding the real-world STB-1's hydropneumatic suspension. (the same thing the Swedish TDs have)

Some funky gun depression/elevation possibilities...or even a medium tank with siege-mode, maybe? Could be interesting.



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View PostDava_117, on 08 June 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

 

To be fair, ridgeline and hulldown are the most used tactic in tier 10...

All the soviet med, AMX30, CAX, Patton are all hulldown monster. All have really strong turret, some with more gun dep, so can work on ridgeline, some are better on on plain huldown.

With turret armour STB-1 would became another general strong turret MT, but very frustrating to play thanks to the bad gun handling.

With good gunhandling and agility, instead, we would have a quite unic tank. Apart from Leo1, there aren't any other single shot MT similar to STB-I.

 

Well it is frustrating to play due to 2 factors: trash turret and fully aimed misses. One should be mitigated. Leopard 1 is so much more pleasant to play, but also AMX30B is all the same, so is CAX and M48 Patton. I dont think I follow what is so unique about Leopard 1 and STB-1 in your opinion? Being made of paper?

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View PostSolstad1069, on 08 June 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

Jap medium line is....

 

A.......................................I..................................................M......................................................... and miss.

(while doing this pray to god nobody sees you.)

 

Well the general idea is "if you throw enough crapsome of it is going to stick". 

 

For some reason I really like to play STB-1, it's one of my top 5 most played mediums, does that make me a masochist?

 



Cobra6 #12 Posted 08 June 2018 - 02:57 PM

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Better Gun handling is everything it needs.

 

Russian meds get exactly the same DPM pretty much but infinitely better gun handling, it makes absolutely no sense. I mean, look at this nonsense of a balancing act. Double the dispersion values for 20 more DPM, are you kidding me?

 

The STB-1 does not need armor, that is not what the whole line is about. The line is about good guns on a nice and mobile platform (Chi-Ri is controversial).

 

It's very simple: Paper tanks need great gun handling as they don't have the armor to sit around and aim. We live in a weird world where armored Russian mediums get better gun handling than paper medium tanks which makes no sense.

 

View PostWarzey, on 08 June 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

 

For some reason I really like to play STB-1, it's one of my top 5 most played mediums, does that make me a masochist?

 

 

Not at all, I love my STB-1 but the gun handling still gives me ebola regardless.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 08 June 2018 - 03:03 PM.


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View PostGetern, on 08 June 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

 

Well it is frustrating to play due to 2 factors: trash turret and fully aimed misses. One should be mitigated. Leopard 1 is so much more pleasant to play, but also AMX30B is all the same, so is CAX and M48 Patton. I dont think I follow what is so unique about Leopard 1 and STB-1 in your opinion? Being made of paper?

 

The fully aim miss are something that any tank in game suffer from while turret armour is not really necessary if you got good gun handling, that allows to minimize the time of exposure.

Also CAX, Patton and AMX30 got pretty strong turret while Leopard and STB-1 are indeed papers tanks, but this change their playstyle compared to the other single shot MT. Leo should be a sniper, needing some buff too. STB-I have a really low profile, with good gun handling and mobility it would be able to hide behind ridgeline, poking in different location to take a shot on tank that are not expecting him to be there. It would be really unic in that way.



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View PostWarzey, on 08 June 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

For some reason I really like to play STB-1, it's one of my top 5 most played mediums, does that make me a masochist?

No, it doesn't.

Playing WoT does XD.



Solstad1069 #15 Posted 08 June 2018 - 03:23 PM

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View PostWarzey, on 08 June 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

Well the general idea is "if you throw enough crapsome of it is going to stick". 

 

For some reason I really like to play STB-1, it's one of my top 5 most played mediums, does that make me a masochist?

 

 

Well, the STB-1 sure needs the skill  :)

 

I gave up on this tankline a long time ago at tier 9, but i really liked the STA1 so i rebought it half a year ago, but sold it after a few battles because.........

....when i was aiming my team was dying.

 

In todays meta you need to be useful from the first minute because soon the radiobuzzing from your dead friends will fill your ears.

 

 


Edited by Solstad1069, 08 June 2018 - 03:23 PM.


8126Jakobsson #16 Posted 08 June 2018 - 03:29 PM

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To be honest I'm fine as it is as long as they take off that brown they put in its face. 

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View PostCobra6, on 08 June 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

We live in a weird world where armored Russian mediums get better gun handling everything than paper medium tanks which makes no sense.

Ftfy :)



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Also  buff Leo 1 and it.s whole line, Rhm. Pzw light and it.s whole line, buff to the 2 Panthers in the E50M line, buff the 2 Tigers in the E100 line, buff the whole Medium Chinese line, buff 110 heavy chinese tank, HUGE BUFF to TVP VTU or remove it from the game, buff all the Churchill tanks, buff the useless T69 medium and rework the very dated IS-4 line.

soul3ater #19 Posted 08 June 2018 - 04:08 PM

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Buff the gun handling first and the rest we can discuss. Because its absolutely filthy...

Getern #20 Posted 08 June 2018 - 05:01 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 08 June 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

 

The fully aim miss are something that any tank in game suffer from while turret armour is not really necessary if you got good gun handling, that allows to minimize the time of exposure.

Also CAX, Patton and AMX30 got pretty strong turret while Leopard and STB-1 are indeed papers tanks, but this change their playstyle compared to the other single shot MT. Leo should be a sniper, needing some buff too. STB-I have a really low profile, with good gun handling and mobility it would be able to hide behind ridgeline, poking in different location to take a shot on tank that are not expecting him to be there. It would be really unic in that way.

 

Yes, but this is different with STB-1, it misses way more than it hits on distance 300m+. Thats abomination. I wanted to force some "variety" on u guys but looks like we are going after gun handling. Lets hope we will get some decent looking dipsersions and reduced aim time next patch. I can work with either armor or gun handling. Still I think that STB-1's turret by the look has the biggest ricochet potetnial from all other medium tanks turrets and we could improve on that field. Well just make the mantlet work like before at least. Still why couldnt we get all the goodies, after all freaking Object 140 got unnecessay turret buff few months ago. How is that fair towards STB-1?
While u mentioned Leopard 1, that thing seriosly needs accuracy buff, even with nerfs to DPM to compensate.




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