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Poll: Stats Privacy and Game Experience (121 members have cast votes)

You have to complete 250 battles in order to participate this poll.

Should players be able to hide their public statistics?

  1. Yes (57 votes [47.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.11%

  2. No (64 votes [52.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.89%

Should we keep public statistics, but not allow them to be displayed during games?

  1. Yes (68 votes [56.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.20%

  2. No (53 votes [43.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.80%

Will the game experience be improved with the hidden statistics?

  1. Yes (63 votes [52.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.07%

  2. No (58 votes [47.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.93%

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McB0t #1 Posted 09 June 2018 - 09:26 AM

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Hi guys,

 

As we all know, hiding ingame statistics will cause a less toxic messages in the chat and more people playing for fun.  I think that many players want this change, but as usual, WG is not paying attention.Should we start a petition on change.org?

 

Thank you for your answers

 


Edited by McB0t, 09 June 2018 - 10:53 AM.


vixu #2 Posted 09 June 2018 - 10:26 AM

    Lieutenant Сolonel

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1 - no - I want to know after the battle, if somebody is yapping to loud - what is his/her credibility.

2 - technically hard, if statistics is accessible in general.

3 - no. I dont use XVM and I my gaming experience is fine. I dont care if anybody sees my stats - its their problem.



ThinGun #3 Posted 09 June 2018 - 10:35 AM

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View PostMcB0t, on 09 June 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

Hi guys,

 

As we all know, hiding game statistics will cause a less toxic messages in the chat and more people playing for fun.  I think that many players want this change, but as usual, WG is not paying attention.Should we start a petition on change.org?

 

Thank you for your answers

 

No, we don't ALL know that - it's just an opinion.  If you're right, then no-one would be using stats - the reality actually contradicts your belief.



Dava_117 #4 Posted 09 June 2018 - 10:44 AM

    Lieutenant Сolonel

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1) No, checking stat and other stuff can tell you a lot about player and can be also usefull to give advices.

2) Yes, it would reduce player drawning at battle start because of "noob team" and others amenitys coming from it. But you can't do it easily... so don't expect it to be done

3) Yes, as from above.



UrQuan #5 Posted 09 June 2018 - 10:59 AM

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1: No: stats, when used properly can help greatly in helping out players & also lend credibility to their statements. By example, if I lend advice on armored tanks, you can easy check my stats to verify if I got experience with it or not. Same when I dispense advice on lights (which I hardly do as I'm not good at those)

It can also help you in seeing where your core issue lies that hampers your gameplay. Low survival rate? Perhaps play a bit less aggressive when out nnumbered. Low hit rate? maybe take more care in aiming, etc

 

2 & 3: Yes, this is an option I wouldn't mind to see introduced, however, it won't change much, people will then judge you on the tanks you play & the tanks the enemy has & your team. Your team has a KV-4 & enemy has a Defender? You bet people will complain to you for driving a 'stupid' tank & 'bringing the team down'. Even tho the KV-4 driver might be Dava_117 or me & the defender is the spoiled brat who bought that tank with daddy's creditcard, thinking it buys skill.

I even had people suicide because I played a 'bad' tank & was toptier. What they then forgot is that skill still matters alot more then the tank you drive. I expect such behaviour to remain when stats are hidden ingame, because people enjoy blaming everything but themselves for bad performance. They'll just blame tanks instead of stats.

 



Nethraniel #6 Posted 09 June 2018 - 11:23 AM

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Voted no, yes, no.

Statistics help to understand and evaluate the problems other players have when posting in the forums, it is also helpful for clan recruitment. During battle I am totally fine if stats are not displayed. However, toxic whiners will always find an excuse to insult others ingame, so I do not expect a better gaming experience with hidden stats. 



Hedgehog1963 #7 Posted 09 June 2018 - 11:23 AM

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View PostMcB0t, on 09 June 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

 

As we all know, hiding ingame statistics will cause a less toxic messages in the chat and more people playing for fun. 

 

Nope.



OIias_of_Sunhillow #8 Posted 09 June 2018 - 11:38 AM

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Voted; No, Yes, Yes.

 

First two for reasons better explained above.

3. For me, yes.

    I see far too many XVM-inspired pre-battle statisticians, and post countdown suicides and killed team mates calling out others over their ratings to know it's better off not knowing.



Rati_Festa #9 Posted 09 June 2018 - 11:42 AM

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I voted no, yes, yes

In game wn8 is toxic, but I can see the merits of them out of game.

Coopsjc21 #10 Posted 09 June 2018 - 11:46 AM

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Why do you need to know my stats? Why do I need to know yours? So we can message each other after a bad game and go "*edited* noob cuntt, 46% win rate *edited*, L2P 900 wn8 faggit"? No, we don't need to do that.

 

I think I was right to camp that bush and spot, you disagree, you check my stats and found that I'm a 51% player, you're a 57% player.., so you're opinion will always be correct? Pro tip: it won't.

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to: (inappropriate words)

 


Edited by akataMM, 25 July 2018 - 11:34 AM.


ApocalypseSquad #11 Posted 09 June 2018 - 12:14 PM

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My XVM expired last night and I played a few games without it. It was a miserable experience.  I had no idea who I could trust on my own team.  That med haring off around the flank.  Is he a unicm looking to lead the team on a flank rush, or just a clueless tomato?  If the former I will follow and support him. If the latter he is just going to get himself killed and leave me hanging, so I will be much more cautious.

 

Without XVM the random factor in the game is exponentially greater.  Just my opinion.



Jigabachi #12 Posted 09 June 2018 - 01:14 PM

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As long as we all play together, the stats should be visible to all of us - just not in a running match.
Keep the stats, ban the mods. Simples.

McB0t #13 Posted 10 June 2018 - 10:03 AM

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So far, 66.67% of people have voted yes to the second question (28 votes yes and 14 no), so it seems that most people would like mods not to show this information during battles.

 

Stats are easily accessible using any wot stats webpage, so players can check their performance outside of the game. XVM in game stats only contribute bad things to the game and should be eliminated.



Dorander #14 Posted 10 June 2018 - 10:54 AM

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You know what causes toxic messages? Yet ANOTHER hide-the-stats thread like the dozens we've had before where the same arguments get regurgitated and nothing ever happens.

 

Not to burst your bubble here but you haven't exactly stumbled upon a new idea, the petitions always turn out the same, a vocal minority of a vocal minority turns out to be inclined to complain.



arthurwellsley #15 Posted 10 June 2018 - 11:01 AM

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View PostMcB0t, on 09 June 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

 

As we all know, hiding ingame statistics will cause a less toxic messages in the chat and more people playing for fun. - How or why do we "know" this? What proof do you have? Perhaps without ingame statistics chat will become more toxic?

 

 I think that many players want this change,  - Your poll would appear to prove the exact opposite on the voting so far.

 

but as usual, WG is not paying attention. - I am glad the developers of a successful game I enjoy, ignore the inane ramblings of some of their players.

 

Should we start a petition on change.org? - No we should not, that is unless you OP wish to make an even bigger fool of yourself in public.

 

Thank you for your answers

 

 



Dorander #16 Posted 10 June 2018 - 11:12 AM

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By the way there is a problem with the poll regarding actually casting votes. Question 2 is impossible to answer appropriately if you vote "No" in the first question, because Question 2's answering options mean that you either want statistics to be available but hidden during gameplay, or you want statistics to be gone completely.



DeadLecter #17 Posted 10 June 2018 - 11:17 AM

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View PostCoopsjc21, on 09 June 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

Why do you need to know my stats? Why do I need to know yours? So we can message each other after a bad game and go "fck noob cuntt, 46% win rate gypsy polak, L2P 900 wn8 faggit"? No, we don't need to do that.

 

I think I was right to camp that bush and spot, you disagree, you check my stats and found that I'm a 51% player, you're a 57% player.., so you're opinion will always be correct? Pro tip: it won't.

 

 

 

But it helps to know who you can count on in battle.

OIias_of_Sunhillow #18 Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:10 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 10 June 2018 - 10:17 AM, said:

 

But it helps to know who you can count on in battle.

 

14 strangers, in random battles ?

 



Strappster #19 Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:31 PM

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View PostMcB0t, on 09 June 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

As we all know, hiding ingame statistics will cause a less toxic messages in the chat and more people playing for fun.

 

Utter drivel. You can hide stats in Warships and doing so results in increased toxicity on the basis that you've only hidden them because you're so bad, you don't want anyone to see how bad you are.

 

View PostApocalypseSquad, on 09 June 2018 - 11:14 AM, said:

My XVM expired last night and I played a few games without it. It was a miserable experience.  I had no idea who I could trust on my own team.  That med haring off around the flank.  Is he a unicm looking to lead the team on a flank rush, or just a clueless tomato?  If the former I will follow and support him. If the latter he is just going to get himself killed and leave me hanging, so I will be much more cautious.

 

Without XVM the random factor in the game is exponentially greater.  Just my opinion.

 

More drivel. Maybe if you supported that tomato, his rush wouldn't be in vain. Or maybe it's a unicum who only wants you as a damage soak. I've seen plenty of unicums sitting on a corner, demanding someone else go first so they can get the easy shot while the enemy's reloading.

 

Look at what your team are doing and what the enemy are doing - both are shown on the minimap. If you can't make your judgements based on what's happening and need to rely on numbers instead, you're never going to improve as a player.



DeadLecter #20 Posted 10 June 2018 - 05:20 PM

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View PostOIias_of_Sunhillow, on 10 June 2018 - 04:40 PM, said:

 

14 strangers, in random battles ?

 

 

well which one is more likely to influence the battle?

A guy with 20k battles and 200 WN8 or a guy with 2000+ WN8? Plus when someone in the chat asks for your support to follow them to clear a flank which one would you follow?

It may make me sound very shallow but words from a guy with bad stats does not carry much weight with me if at all.







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