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Long_Range_Sniper #41 Posted 11 June 2018 - 04:37 PM

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View PostThinGun, on 11 June 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

 

And I answered multiple times.  The fact that the answer wasn't what you wanted to hear doesn't mean I didn't answer. 

Not listening to people would probably be the basis for my opinion of someone having a closed mind.

 

I think we might differ on what constitutes an "answer".

 

Let's try again shall we.

 

What is the basis for your opinion as to why you currently like the game and don't want it changed?

 

If you want you can refer me to any previous post that answers this question in any way other than "I like the game and don't want it changed".

 

If you can't answer the question just let me know and I'll stop asking.



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 11 June 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

 

I think we might differ on what constitutes an "answer".

 

Let's try again shall we.

 

What is the basis for your opinion as to why you currently like the game and don't want it changed?

 

If you want you can refer me to any previous post that answers this question in any way other than "I like the game and don't want it changed".

 

If you can't answer the question just let me know and I'll stop asking.

 

As I said before, I like the game and want to change nothing.  

 

I don't understand why this isn't a reasonable response.  If you enjoy something the way it is, why do you have to consider what it is that you enjoy?  I joined the game with certain expectations, and the game met them.  I then discovered further depths and details I hadn't considered and enjoyed those too.  Maybe I'm easily pleased, or maybe my niche play style denies me an opinion in your eyes.  

Whatever.  I'm a game player and my opinion is as valid as anyone elses.  Except on this forum, apparently where I should fir one of the unwritten criteria before I'm allowed to express myself.  Hey ho, welcome to 'life' on the internet, I guess.



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View PostThinGun, on 11 June 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

 

As I said before, I like the game and want to change nothing.  

 

I don't understand why this isn't a reasonable response.  If you enjoy something the way it is, why do you have to consider what it is that you enjoy?  I joined the game with certain expectations, and the game met them.  I then discovered further depths and details I hadn't considered and enjoyed those too.  Maybe I'm easily pleased, or maybe my niche play style denies me an opinion in your eyes.  

Whatever.  I'm a game player and my opinion is as valid as anyone elses.  Except on this forum, apparently where I should fir one of the unwritten criteria before I'm allowed to express myself.  Hey ho, welcome to 'life' on the internet, I guess.

You like the very small window of the game u play ie mid tier tds. If/when u move up the tiers and play the whole game you might have a different opinion. You are discussing matters u only have a vague experience of, I would and have never commented on the CW part of the game as guess what I havent played it.

 

Sitting in a bush getting 2 shots off and then dying may well be an enjoyable experience for you... kinda sad, but each to there own. Your view of the game is severely limited by the very fact u only play one class and not particularly well. Its very hard for any of the experienced players to take your views that seriously imo

 

Perhaps branch out a little and play a Tiger II... then tell us the game is fine.



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View PostThinGun, on 11 June 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

 

As I said before, I like the game and want to change nothing.  

 

I don't understand why this isn't a reasonable response.  If you enjoy something the way it is, why do you have to consider what it is that you enjoy?  I joined the game with certain expectations, and the game met them.  I then discovered further depths and details I hadn't considered and enjoyed those too.  Maybe I'm easily pleased, or maybe my niche play style denies me an opinion in your eyes.  

Whatever.  I'm a game player and my opinion is as valid as anyone elses.  Except on this forum, apparently where I should fir one of the unwritten criteria before I'm allowed to express myself.  Hey ho, welcome to 'life' on the internet, I guess.

 

It's not reasonable for a few reasons.

 

  • You appear to give the impression of being an intelligent individual who seems to feel that most of the playerbase are younger than you. I would have expected more than "I like the game and I don't want to change anything", which is pretty much a teenage response to being asked anything;  " 'cos innit".
  • You take exception when others offer the basis to their opinions and but seem totally unwilling to offer the basis to your opinion. That does not seem a fair or mature approach to discussions in my opinion.

 

If you want to remain of the opinion that you like the game "because" that's fine, but you can't claim you've not been asked repeated open questions as to the basis for your opinion.

 

Yet you accuse others of having closed minds, and when asked to open your mind, you close it. 

 

That said, for all I know, you have opened it as far as it will go and this is as good as it gets.



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 11 June 2018 - 05:04 PM, said:

 

It's not reasonable for a few reasons.

 

  • You appear to give the impression of being an intelligent individual who seems to feel that most of the playerbase are younger than you. I would have expected more than "I like the game and I don't want to change anything", which is pretty much a teenage response to being asked anything;  " 'cos innit".
  • You take exception when others offer the basis to their opinions and but seem totally unwilling to offer the basis to your opinion. That does not seem a fair or mature approach to discussions in my opinion.

 

If you want to remain of the opinion that you like the game "because" that's fine, but you can't claim you've not been asked repeated open questions as to the basis for your opinion.

 

Yet you accuse others of having closed minds, and when asked to open your mind, you close it. 

 

That said, for all I know, you have opened it as far as it will go and this is as good as it gets.

 

Thanks for the ad hominem and strawman arguments.  Let's move on, eh?  

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View PostRati_Festa, on 11 June 2018 - 04:53 PM, said:

You like the very small window of the game u play ie mid tier tds. If/when u move up the tiers and play the whole game you might have a different opinion. You are discussing matters u only have a vague experience of, I would and have never commented on the CW part of the game as guess what I havent played it.

 

Sitting in a bush getting 2 shots off and then dying may well be an enjoyable experience for you... kinda sad, but each to there own. Your view of the game is severely limited by the very fact u only play one class and not particularly well. Its very hard for any of the experienced players to take your views that seriously imo

 

Perhaps branch out a little and play a Tiger II... then tell us the game is fine.

 

And yet I've played 33000 games.  I'd say I'm just as experienced as most on this forum, just more specialised.  As such my opinion on the game is equally valid as anyone who like to brawl/snipe/scout/play arty.  And gee, thanks for nearly avoiding patronising me.  I appreciate how hard you tried, even though you failed.

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View PostThinGun, on 11 June 2018 - 06:02 PM, said:

 

Thanks for the ad hominem and strawman arguments.  Let's move on, eh?  

 

You've got to make an "argument" for there to be some straw to use for your bricks. I'm afraid you are still unable to answer the most basic of questions at quite a basic level, and as consequence your house isn't even made of straw. I might even agree with the basis for your opinion as to why I like certain aspects of the game. But as you're unable to articulate the basis for that opinion we'll never know.

 

It's really not that difficult.

 

"What is the basis for your opinion that the game is fine without any changes?"

 

View PostThinGun, on 11 June 2018 - 06:24 PM, said:

And yet I've played 33000 games.  I'd say I'm just as experienced as most on this forum, just more specialised.  As such my opinion on the game is equally valid as anyone who like to brawl/snipe/scout/play arty.  And gee, thanks for nearly avoiding patronising me.  I appreciate how hard you tried, even though you failed.

 

I'm afraid your opinion is as valid as the following opinions.

 

I like the game because it there's a tank nicknamed the "Duck" and I like ducks as they're tasty in pancakes.

I like the game because it allows me to eat pizza and exercise my arthritic index finger playing artillery.

I like the game because I always wanted to own a sit on lawnmower and I pretend my tank is the Mountfield 827M which is my dream mower.

 

Which basis is your opinion closest? I'm going for the ducks, as they line up better.



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 11 June 2018 - 07:43 PM, said:

 

You've got to make an "argument" for there to be some straw to use for your bricks. I'm afraid you are still unable to answer the most basic of questions at quite a basic level, and as consequence your house isn't even made of straw. I might even agree with the basis for your opinion as to why I like certain aspects of the game. But as you're unable to articulate the basis for that opinion we'll never know.

 

It's really not that difficult.

 

"What is the basis for your opinion that the game is fine without any changes?"

 

 

I'm afraid your opinion is as valid as the following opinions.

 

I like the game because it there's a tank nicknamed the "Duck" and I like ducks as they're tasty in pancakes.

I like the game because it allows me to eat pizza and exercise my arthritic index finger playing artillery.

I like the game because I always wanted to own a sit on lawnmower and I pretend my tank is the Mountfield 827M which is my dream mower.

 

Which basis is your opinion closest? I'm going for the ducks, as they line up better.

 

I don't think you understand the concept of the strawman argument ... it's where you (the nitpicking point scorer) attempts to humiliate me and claim victory by creating a non-valid argument based on something untrue, and then defeating said argument with the sheer might of your intellect.

For example 'you can't claim you've not been asked repeated open questions as to the basis for your opinion.', when I've never made such a claim.

 

Do you see?  It's not rocket science to stick to the facts, or the actual point of the debate, and yet it seems to be beyond you.  Hence my suggestion that we leave it lie, because I'm not interested in engaging with you any further on that basis.



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View PostThinGun, on 09 June 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

I don't understand the premise.  If you don't enjoy something that thousands of people clearly do enjoy, why are you wanting it changed?  Why not go and find something you do enjoy and leave the game alone for those of us who like it the way it is?

 

Enjoy that 3-5-7 mm. Must be great being bottom tier. :teethhappy:

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View PostThinGun, on 11 June 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

 

I don't think you understand the concept of the strawman argument ... it's where you (the nitpicking point scorer) attempts to humiliate me and claim victory by creating a non-valid argument based on something untrue, and then defeating said argument with the sheer might of your intellect.

For example 'you can't claim you've not been asked repeated open questions as to the basis for your opinion.', when I've never made such a claim.

 

Do you see?  It's not rocket science to stick to the facts, or the actual point of the debate, and yet it seems to be beyond you.  Hence my suggestion that we leave it lie, because I'm not interested in engaging with you any further on that basis.

 

Nope, that's not a strawman. It's an often thrown out phrase on forums I guess, but it doesn't change your attempt to divert the salient question.

 

"What is the basis for your opinion that the game is fine without any changes?"

 

If you want to stick to the facts then by all means, put in a fact. Try a deep breath, let the thoughts flow through you, and they will reach the keyboard.

 

You can do it! Show these young whippersnappers on the forum that dementia hasn't set in yet.



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 11 June 2018 - 09:06 PM, said:

 

Nope, that's not a strawman. It's an often thrown out phrase on forums I guess, but it doesn't change your attempt to divert the salient question.

 

"What is the basis for your opinion that the game is fine without any changes?"

 

If you want to stick to the facts then by all means, put in a fact. Try a deep breath, let the thoughts flow through you, and they will reach the keyboard.

 

You can do it! Show these young whippersnappers on the forum that dementia hasn't set in yet.

 

Salient.  Have a word with yourself.  

It's not salient, it's a feeble diversionary tactic to deflect from the fact that you don't have a reasoned and considered response to my original statement.  So in the absence of a genuine answer, you suddenly invent something that is now critical to your understanding, and my failure to answer a spurious request to your satisfaction somehow proves that ... ermm ... I dunno  What possible reason is there for you to need this information , I wonder?  

Oh yeah ... There isn't.  You don't justify your opinions and yet you expect me to justify an opinion that isn't relevant to the debate ... 

 

Here's a thing.  I'm actually bored with you using this pointless question as a justification to insult my intelligence, my age, my abilities and my right to express myself on what is allegedly an open forum.

 

So .. I give you your win.  You've actually bored me into submission. Congratulations, I hope you get to dine out on the retelling of your glorious victory on a forum about pixel tanks.



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View PostThinGun, on 11 June 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

 

Salient.  Have a word with yourself.  

It's not salient, it's a feeble diversionary tactic to deflect from the fact that you don't have a reasoned and considered response to my original statement.  So in the absence of a genuine answer, you suddenly invent something that is now critical to your understanding, and my failure to answer a spurious request to your satisfaction somehow proves that ... ermm ... I dunno  What possible reason is there for you to need this information , I wonder?  

Oh yeah ... There isn't.  You don't justify your opinions and yet you expect me to justify an opinion that isn't relevant to the debate ... 

 

Here's a thing.  I'm actually bored with you using this pointless question as a justification to insult my intelligence, my age, my abilities and my right to express myself on what is allegedly an open forum.

 

So .. I give you your win.  You've actually bored me into submission. Congratulations, I hope you get to dine out on the retelling of your glorious victory on a forum about pixel tanks.

 

I don't mind sharing the basis for my opinion. I did it at post #14, and I know at least ten people read it.

 

http://forum.worldof...3#entry15838973

 

That post is the basis for my opinion.You may agree, or disagree with the basis for my opinion, but I have one, and I have shared it.

 

You have been critical of players in quite an obtuse way for sharing the basis for their opinions, and are totally and utterly unwilling or unable to share the basis for your opinion. In fact one player who said one of your statements was "ridiculous" was immediately pounced on an accused by you of not being able to grow pubic hair.

 

View PostThinGun, on 10 June 2018 - 06:11 PM, said:

Wow, so anyone who disagrees with you is 'ridiculous'.  Fair enough .. good luck with getting ANYTHING done in life with that sort of attitude.  Maybe things will get better when you're old enough to grow pubic hair.

 

You have no basis for that opinion, as to the best of my knowledge you have no idea at all how old they are, and you could't tell the difference between them referring to you and something you wrote. 

 

Which is why after asking for multiple occasions you are unable to answer one of the simplest open questions I've seen on the forum. The forum isn't about win/lose. It's not about "getting one over". You can make it into that if that floats your boat but you'll probably just get ignored even quicker going by what happens to other players who seem to start fights in the forum monastery.

 

It really isn't that hard a question now is it?

 

"What is the basis for your opinion that nothing in the game needs changing and it should stay the way it is?"

 

View PostSpurtung, on 11 June 2018 - 03:12 AM, said:

LRS, providing better plots than most of the movies these days.

 

:popcorn:

 

I'm rating this thread movie as

 

Image result for pg rating

 

It's always useful to have your parents around to answer any tricky questions you have about the movie.


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It's not that hard to imagine a lot of people that enjoy the game in its current state/iteration.

 

  • MM or the 3-5-7 template: If i get tired of being bottom tier i can always play tier 10 and be top tier by force. RIP those little tier 8s!
  • 268v4/Maus/Type 5: I can always grind those tanks and have a blast playing them myself. Don't see those balance issues stopping anyone from playing those tanks!
  • Premium ammo: is available for everyone, if you have em shoot em!
  • Game play: Let's go with the official company line "Considering the random nature of team balance...." meaning sometimes it's helping you and sometimes it's against you and apparently in the long run all balances out!

 

A lot of people play this game and are content with these issues, hell some even make money out of it! Of course that's not my personal opinion but don't be silly guys ok? let it go and have a healthy discussion. 



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View PostThinGun, on 11 June 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

OK ... call me when you're interested in an objective opinion.  I can see that you prefer to live in your echo chamber, and my life is too short to be prising open closed minds.
Over and out.

 

You lack the experience and knowledge to have an objective opinion and you have not really expressed an opinion at all.

 



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View PostThinGun, on 11 June 2018 - 07:24 PM, said:

 

And yet I've played 33000 games.  I'd say I'm just as experienced as most on this forum, just more specialised.  As such my opinion on the game is equally valid as anyone who like to brawl/snipe/scout/play arty.  And gee, thanks for nearly avoiding patronising me.  I appreciate how hard you tried, even though you failed.

 

Agreed 33000 games is considerable, your input on mid tier TDS would be very useful no doubt. Your global knowledge of the game is severely limited though and your wading into discussions that basically you don't have a clue about.

 

As LRS commented you don't support your claims that why you think the game is good and hasn't deteriorated in the last 18 months. I'm quite surprised you have the opinion that everything is fine, you play mid tier tds, I used to play mid tier tds quite a bit ( mainly e25 ) until the light tank MM change and then I found them near unbearable due to the fact I was now fighting 4-5 lights per game. A mid tier TD isn't really that effective against a same tier light... imo

 



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View PostThinGun, on 11 June 2018 - 06:24 PM, said:

 

And yet I've played 33000 games.  I'd say I'm just as experienced as most on this forum, just more specialised.  As such my opinion on the game is equally valid as anyone who like to brawl/snipe/scout/play arty.  And gee, thanks for nearly avoiding patronising me.  I appreciate how hard you tried, even though you failed.

 

It’s correct to say that your opinion is valid but it’s also correct to say it’s limited in its use due to the class of tanks you tend to play. 

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View Postjabster, on 12 June 2018 - 12:44 PM, said:

 

It’s correct to say that your opinion is valid but it’s also correct to say it’s limited in its use due to the class of tanks you tend to play. 

 

So ... only people who match certain criteria are allowed to express opinions about general gameplay. 

Which brings me right back to the original point.  Why should a bunch of super-experienced unicum-wannabes think that their requirements for changes are valid, when they don't represent the views or opinions of the majority of players?  What gives anyone the right to exclude other opinions (whether justified or not) about possible changes?

So - you believe I could comment about mid-tier TDs.  Fair enough.  So, why not qualify these sweeping statements with qualifiers like "I think that ... " or "for my sort of gameplay..." and the like, rather than sweeping generalisations along the lines of "everyone hates 3-5-7" or "we all know that MM is broken", when there is no empirical evidence to support the opinion.

 

Just saying ... this game is a lot bigger than this private little echo chamber ... maybe some of you could look up from your keyboards and realise that. 



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View PostThinGun, on 12 June 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

 

So ... only people who match certain criteria are allowed to express opinions about general gameplay. 

 

Er no it just means that your view on the problems, or not, of general gameplay have to be viewed through your experience of it. It’s no different, to varying degrees, of the views of other players.







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