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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:21 AM

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there are some tanks in tier 9 and 10 that should never see a tank that's 2 tiers below them... Obj 268-4, Type 5, Type 4 and maybe a couple of others that are borderline.

just give these "preferiential" tier +1/-1 MM.

that would also partially alleviate Tier 8 MM.



Simeon85 #2 Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:35 AM

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Type 4 is not really OP it's broken, there are not many 'OP' tier 9 tanks, T95, Tortoise and 263 are probably the best candidates on tier 9 for 'OP'.

 

Tier 9 is pretty well balanced.

 

They just need to nerf the tanks that are too good and fix 3-5-7. 



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Type 4 is the worst Tier 9 heavy tank. It gets penned by all T9 heavy standard rounds and all T8 prem rounds. The tank is definitely a PoS

TankkiPoju #4 Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:51 AM

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All tier 9 tanks have preferential matchmaking. It's because there is no tier 11.

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Or they could just balance them correctly... What you suggest isn't really a solution, just a band-aid. I'd much rather they invest their time in actually solving the problem.

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View PostMimos_A, on 11 June 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:

Or they could just balance them correctly... What you suggest isn't really a solution, just a band-aid. I'd much rather they invest their time in actually solving the problem.

 

balancing requires thinking. increasing a singel digit from 0 to 1 doesent.

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View Posttankqull, on 11 June 2018 - 08:54 AM, said:

 

balancing requires thinking. increasing a singel digit from 0 to 1 doesent.

 

Balancing also solves the actual problem, changing that digit doesn't.

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View PostDeadLecter, on 11 June 2018 - 08:44 AM, said:

Type 4 is the worst Tier 9 heavy tank. It gets penned by all T9 heavy standard rounds and all T8 prem rounds. The tank is definitely a PoS

 

Yeah, because *edited*on a IS7 turret for 500 damage is "pos"

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View PostJocMeister, on 11 June 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

Yeah, because *edited* on a IS7 turret for 500 damage is "pos"

 

and taking 3 shots in return means that Type 4 is *edited*

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View PostDeadLecter, on 11 June 2018 - 09:10 AM, said:

 

and taking 3 shots in return means that Type 4 is *edited*

 

Then you poked at the wrong time.



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View PostJocMeister, on 11 June 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

 

Then you poked at the wrong time.

 

That is true but not the point. Type 4's armor is bad to the point where everyone can shoot him and pen. plus if the tanks you face are aiming at you this is exactly what happens. Sidescrape and get ammo racked. Dont sidescarpe and get penned from front. Type 4 is definitely the worst T9 heavy

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View PostDeadLecter, on 11 June 2018 - 08:44 AM, said:

Type 4 is the worst Tier 9 heavy tank. It gets penned by all T9 heavy standard rounds and all T8 prem rounds. The tank is definitely a PoS

 

Er what?

 

Cent 7/1 has (IIRC) the joint highest pen of any tier 9 med or heavy and it has about a 50-58% chance to pen a Type 4 from the front IF it hits certain spots.

 

And 268 APCR pen is generally higher than most tier 8 premium rounds.

 

Good luck penning a Type 4 frontally with like a T-54, E50, M46 Patton, E75 etc. frontally with standard rounds. 

 

Type 4 is broken and OP when top tier. 

 

And worst tier 9 heavy? M103, Emil 2, 50120 say hello. 


Edited by Simeon85, 11 June 2018 - 09:39 AM.


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The thread has degenerated into something else.

I am currently at the OHO and playing it with derp gun.

Is the Type 4 OP or just *edit after all?

Cause I got confused

 

View PostTankkiPoju, on 11 June 2018 - 07:51 AM, said:

All tier 9 tanks have preferential matchmaking. It's because there is no tier 11.

 

Lol, never thought of it like that but,yes :).

Although to be honest the jump in efficiency for the majority (I think) of tier 9s to tier 10 , is huge.

STRV 103B over STRV103, STB-1 over Type 61, Obj 140 over T54, T110E5 over M103 etc. etc

There are a few notable exceptions I have heard of though : AMX M4 51 over 54 , M53/55 over T92, Obj 704 over Obj 268.


 

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View Posttank276, on 11 June 2018 - 09:46 AM, said:

There are a few notable exceptions I have heard of though : AMX M4 51 over 54 , M53/55 over T92, Obj 704 over Obj 268.

Most tier 9 arty is better than tier 10 because you don't have to use the slow firing gun.  I.E the 212A has double the ROF of the Object 261, which since the arty rework means more module damage and more stunning (and ofc less damage but that's not as important anymore).



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View Posttank276, on 11 June 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

The thread has degenerated into something else.

I am currently at the OHO and playing it with derp gun.

Is the Type 4 OP or just sh*t after all?

Cause I got confused

 

Its brocken when mounting the derp, but it's never OP. Most of the HT can pen it frontally, like T-10, ST-I, Conqueror, M-103 and all the other 258 pen HT. If you angle, the sides become a weack spot. Also the 2 hatches can be exploted by all the tier 9 HT and most MT.

So not as OP as Type5, but can became brocken when using the derp, even if I saw a lot of Type4 player using the 14cm gun to dish out more regular damage and to overmatch.



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View PostSimeon85, on 11 June 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

 

Er what?

 

Cent 7/1 has (IIRC) the joint highest pen of any tier 9 med or heavy and it has about a 50-58% chance to pen a Type 4 from the front IF it hits certain spots.

 

And 268 APCR pen is generally higher than most tier 8 premium rounds.

 

Good luck penning a Type 4 frontally with like a T-54, E50, M46 Patton, E75 etc. frontally with standard rounds. 

 

Type 4 is broken and OP when top tier. 

 

And worst tier 9 heavy? M103, Emil 2, 50120 say hello. 

Cent 7/1 will pen Type 4 almost 90% of the time unless you dont know how to aim. If you put a med tank in a position where you have to fight a Heavy tank of your own tier either you are an idiot to go to heavies location or the heavy is an idiot for going to a Med location (With the exception of Heaviums). Plus any t9 heavy and I mean any, can easily pen a Type 4 unless he gets an unlucky low roll of Pen. I owned Type 4 and have played against it. Same goes for Type 5. In the right situation they are scary tanks but thats an extremely rare situation like a Death star getting a pen with 2000 dmg. It happens but rarely



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View PostDava_117, on 11 June 2018 - 10:17 AM, said:

 

Its brocken when mounting the derp, but it's never OP. Most of the HT can pen it frontally, like T-10, ST-I, Conqueror, M-103 and all the other 258 pen HT. If you angle, the sides become a weack spot. Also the 2 hatches can be exploted by all the tier 9 HT and most MT.

So not as OP as Type5, but can became brocken when using the derp, even if I saw a lot of Type4 player using the 14cm gun to dish out more regular damage and to overmatch.

 

None of the heavies can pen it reliably from the front. The Conq with 259 (best HT standard pen at tier 9) has around 60% chance on the hatch "weakspot". Of course everything changes when you hit the 2 key, which most people do as it's not worth trying your luck against a dumb derpgun.

 

I agree with you that it's probably not OP though, it's just stupid and broken.



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View Posttank276, on 11 June 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

I am currently at the OHO and playing it with derp gun.

Is the Type 4 OP or just sh*t after all?

Cause I got confused

The Type 4 is most definitely **** compared to both the O-Ho and Type 5, think of it as something you have to suffer through as penance for the suffering you will inflict in the Type 5.



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View PostMimos_A, on 11 June 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

 

None of the heavies can pen it reliably from the front. The Conq with 259 (best HT standard pen at tier 9) has around 60% chance on the hatch "weakspot". Of course everything changes when you hit the 2 key, which most people do as it's not worth trying your luck against a dumb derpgun.

 

I agree with you that it's probably not OP though, it's just stupid and broken.

 

You mean 60% chance on the 230mm flat driver hatch? Didn't do the calculation, but I would say it's higher... 

Anyway, I find fighting against Type4 quite less a problem than fighting Type5. At least I'm not forced to shoot gold.



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View PostDeadLecter, on 11 June 2018 - 10:38 AM, said:

Cent 7/1 will pen Type 4 almost 90% of the time unless you dont know how to aim. If you put a med tank in a position where you have to fight a Heavy tank of your own tier either you are an idiot to go to heavies location or the heavy is an idiot for going to a Med location (With the exception of Heaviums). Plus any t9 heavy and I mean any, can easily pen a Type 4 unless he gets an unlucky low roll of Pen. I owned Type 4 and have played against it. Same goes for Type 5. In the right situation they are scary tanks but thats an extremely rare situation like a Death star getting a pen with 2000 dmg. It happens but rarely

 

That is a complete load of utter rubbish from start to finish. 

 

The fact that the Type 4 is the 3rd best tank on tier 9 for bouncing shows how wrong you are. It bounces over 49% of shots fired at it FFS.

 

Type 4 consistently boosts players win rates across all skill levels, not by a huge amount but it does -

 

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You can see how much better it is for most players compared to an actual bad tier 9 heavy, the M103.

 


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