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kaneAAA #1 Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:08 PM

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I know Wargaming prides itself on its ability to lose players from an overwhelming sense of tedious frustration, but why is this tank so bad? Does it do anything well or is it designed to say "give up on us, we can't be arsed to make sure your free time is used to enjoy the entertainment we provide" 

 

 

 



UrQuan #2 Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:11 PM

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With the fun 3-5-7 template, I'm sure the Churchil VII & Black Prince rival it in frustration. Tiger P might be another contender (albeit this one at least has a nice topgun). All 3 of these barely got redeeming qualities, but at least when toptier, they could be fun. Then the template system got introduced, reducing the chance to get toptier greatly & thereby making grinding slow tanks with bad/ meh guns so much worse.

 

The practise of leaving utterly bad tanks in the tech tree is bad imo, as especially on higher tiers, ti can leave people very frustrated, not something you'd want in a customer you want to keep I think.

Then again, maybe enough people spend gold on free XP conversions to skip those tanks to make it profitable for WG on short term.


Edited by UrQuan, 11 June 2018 - 02:13 PM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #3 Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:14 PM

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I know you probably don't need much help but if you're grinding this tank, Skill is currently grinding it too on the RU server. You might find some tips and tricks there.

 

https://www.twitch.tv/skill4ltu



Isharial #4 Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:19 PM

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its not bad at all... I 3 marked this and its the best T7 ive ever used, and im not joking on that :amazed:

 

treat it as a medium, load the 105mm for the extra "Boom" and don't EVER run the 90mm, aimtime is too bad to make use of 

it is NOT A HEAVY, don't treat it like one. its essentially a medium with a low top speed. 

 

105mm has good aimtime and accuracy, don't be afraid to stop and shoot something at range, its good enough to do so

 

 

 

 



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View PostkaneAAA, on 11 June 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

I know Wargaming prides itself on its ability to lose players from an overwhelming sense of tedious frustration, but why is this tank so bad? Does it do anything well or is it designed to say "give up on us, we can't be arsed to make sure your free time is used to enjoy the entertainment we provide" 

 

 

 

 

Feel better, the tier 8 is even worse tier for tier :)

Flowtec_ #6 Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:43 PM

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I liked it too. But I do like tanks which other people hate like wz-120, tog II,e-50M(is not weak!) etc. Plus tier 7 mm is so much better and easier to play than T8 mm.

Baldrickk #7 Posted 11 June 2018 - 04:16 PM

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Mine's doing OK for now.
I'm a couple of thousand away from the engine, which would have been enough to turn a couple of my losses into wins.
Aced it twice already...

Solstad1069 #8 Posted 11 June 2018 - 04:16 PM

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View PostIsharial, on 11 June 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

its not bad at all... I 3 marked this and its the best T7 ive ever used, and im not joking on that :amazed:

 

treat it as a medium, load the 105mm for the extra "Boom" and don't EVER run the 90mm, aimtime is too bad to make use of 

it is NOT A HEAVY, don't treat it like one. its essentially a medium with a low top speed. 

 

105mm has good aimtime and accuracy, don't be afraid to stop and shoot something at range, its good enough to do so

 

 

 

 

 

It sure moves like a heavy :P
 

View PostkaneAAA, on 11 June 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

I know Wargaming prides itself on its ability to lose players from an overwhelming sense of tedious frustration, but why is this tank so bad? Does it do anything well or is it designed to say "give up on us, we can't be arsed to make sure your free time is used to enjoy the entertainment we provide" 

 

 

 

 

Tier 8 is worse, so gg.
 

Edited by Daxeno, 12 June 2018 - 04:30 PM.


Isharial #9 Posted 11 June 2018 - 04:26 PM

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View PostSolstad1069, on 11 June 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

 

It sure moves like a heavy :P

 

it can get to top speed rather easily, even on softer ground, its certainly no Tiger P!

Hamsterkicker #10 Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:00 PM

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The AMX 65t is way worse tier for tier than the AMX M4 45.. So, better save that free XP. 

ortega456 #11 Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:06 PM

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My addition: wz-111-1g ft.
So far my worst TD tier 8 experience and maybe after amx 65t the worst tier 8.
Yeah, nobody cares at wg. Just grind through it and never look back.

 

P.s. amx m4 45 was buffed recently. Imagine it before the buff...


Edited by ortega456, 11 June 2018 - 08:07 PM.


KillingJoker #12 Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:19 AM

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Actually I liked to play the amx mle M4 45 , i can even argue, that not only i enjoyed playing it, as i also got better statistics playing it, than i had playing other tanks

that in theory were considered better...

 

the tank have a large gun selection, it doesnt have armor... yet, its not that bad, as people say it is...

you can use different types of guns to try to play it differently....

 

the fact it have 10 degrees of gun depression frontaly, makes it quite interesting to play over ridge lines, and the 330 alpha damage you get with the premium rounds on the 105mm gun

makes it also very interesting... 

 

Because, honestly, at tier 7 non of the heavies, with perhaps the exception of the T.-29 turret, or the ONI have good armor, pretty much alll the other classes are poorly armored...

even the IS tanks, if people shoot at you, they will tend to pen you... but i am not saying the Amx m4 45 does thave any armor, it doesnt, the turret can be bouncy ocasionaly... but you ill need to like peak and hide vey quickly, so the angles of your turret end up bouncing shots....

 

Still... the tank works pretty well in my opinion, if your top tier, you can carry games, out trade pretty much any tier 7, if your not top tier, wich is normaly the case nowadays, you can have an interesting support role of other heavies... just like the IS tank, you can use the alpha to inflict a lot of damage on other tanks... use the terrain or the map to your advantage to trade well shots, and outsmart your enemies... 

 

i have 60% winrate with it, average 2450 WN8 which is much higher than my average level per tank, i guess this may be also the case, tthat because the tank have a bad reputation and is rarely seen on games that due to that, its easier to get good WN8 from it, but my average damage per game is better on the amx m4 45, than its on the IS-2 Berlin and in the chinese IS... and they have better armor, bigger alpha gun, and i even can i enjoy the IS style of play a lot....

 

So either for some reason i have the lucky of actually nail the gameplay on the m4 45, or the M4 45 is somehow very underrated.. wich i consider also be the case... since most people chose the wrong gun...

 

I played my fully 86 games with the 105mm,  many times used gold when i needed, not only for the penetration, but also because of the alpha damage and dpm increase,

but in my opinion the 105 is the only reliable way of playing this tank, you want to have a decent alpha output, so you can trade better and not having to expose so many times since your armor is your weakest asset. 

 

if you ask me, the real horrible experience i had in this line was the amx 65t omg... such a pain to play, so damn frustrating... i had to free exp it, had tremendous luck in manage to master it despite being probably the worst heavy tank tier per tier in the game.



Balc0ra #13 Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:41 AM

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The tier 7 is IMO not bad at anything. But not good at anything either. It's a "meh" medium heavy and nothing more. What fits your description is the 65t IMO. 

Pansenmann #14 Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:59 AM

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View PostHamsterkicker, on 11 June 2018 - 08:00 PM, said:

The AMX 65t is way worse tier for tier than the AMX M4 45.. So, better save that free XP. 

 

/sign.

 

!

 

View PostPansenmann, on 12 June 2018 - 12:59 AM, said:

 

/sign.

 

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the tier 7 is actually quite good, compared to the Black Prince. :B

 

*edit: actually wanted to edit my post.


 

Edited by Daxeno, 12 June 2018 - 04:32 PM.


Homer_J #15 Posted 12 June 2018 - 01:23 AM

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I skipped it the first time round, went back to it to get on the new French heavy line and found it pretty OK.

 

The tier 8, as others have said is pure poo poo.



Ubervold #16 Posted 12 June 2018 - 06:47 AM

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Get back to us after you play some of the true turds in this game, the AMX M4 45 may not be one of the better tanks but there sure are quite a few that makes it look decent.

 

 



Somnorila #17 Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:57 AM

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It's not that bad. Meaning that if you're aware that you have no armor and no autoloader that you should be extra careful. FCM plays similar. 

You have a good gun and some hp over the enemies. sure that if you're in a good MM. If you're at bottom then bad luck, get spotted and eat shells from two top tiers and get back to garage. WoT sucks and WG is counting...



Cobra6 #18 Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:12 AM

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It's pretty simple, that tank is the compulsory free-XP sink in the line, just like many other tier 7 tanks in this game. It's bad beyond belief, especially in terms of gun handling/aimtime. One of the worst tier 7 heavies in the game at the moment.

I recently ground all the way through it to unlock the AMX65t and the experience was a royal pain. Out of all the tier 7 heavies I am currently grinding (TigerP, IS, O-Ni) it's by far the worst one because it has no redeeming features, no armor, no gun handling and no mobility.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 12 June 2018 - 10:14 AM.


trusteft #19 Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:02 PM

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View PostkaneAAA, on 11 June 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

I know Wargaming prides itself on its ability to lose players from an overwhelming sense of tedious frustration, but why is this tank so bad? Does it do anything well or is it designed to say "give up on us, we can't be arsed to make sure your free time is used to enjoy the entertainment we provide" 

 

 

 

Oh if you hate this tank, you will love the 65 t.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 



Simeon85 #20 Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:55 PM

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Load the gold on the 105mm, makes the tank marginally better. 

 

I free XP'd it the 2nd time round, which is what WG wants you to do. 







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