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buff e100 turret!

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hasnainrakha57 #1 Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:49 PM

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watch this replay and see how i die fck this game e100 needs turret buff even if i angle it they keep penetrating me!.And if angle it more they shoot my side watch this replay!                                                            http://wotreplays.eu...inrakha57-e_100

Tankyouverymuch2 #2 Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:57 PM

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Also, this just happened: :great:

 


Edited by Tankyouverymuch2, 11 June 2018 - 10:39 PM.


ihateclowns #3 Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:22 PM

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Its not the e100 turret that's the problem, its gold

hasnainrakha57 #4 Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:40 PM

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View Postihateclowns, on 11 June 2018 - 09:22 PM, said:

Its not the e100 turret that's the problem, its gold

Gold  ammo won't go away from this game!



Somnorila #5 Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:12 AM

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Pointing your gun at an enemy, same as the MAUS, E-100's turret is pretty easy to get penetrated, specially with 330 heat lol.

That's why you must angle, but then against a savvy player, with an accurate gun and maybe a bit lucky, you can still be damaged in the lower corner of the turret. Great design, no tank is impervious thus skill and knowledge matters, to bad that they totally forgot about that with later additions...

So i do believe that it needs a bit thicker frontal around the gun.



Wayward_Current #6 Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:25 AM

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This tank is a joke about Germans.

People laugh on TOG II, calling it a XP piñata.Well TOG is piñata from the sides.

E 100 is piñata from the front, you aim stright trough the front of the large flat unmissable turret , and  majority of tier X tanks, and some T IX can  penetrate stright trough.

 

E 100's turret front weakness  is abomination that destroys the theory and practice and reasons of existance of such superhaevy tank.

 

 

 

 


Edited by Wayward_Current, 12 June 2018 - 09:39 AM.


Simeon85 #7 Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:36 AM

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The tank is fine and well balanced as the statistics show.

 

If it gets a turret armour buff then it's a completely unnecessary buff, so something else has to be nerfed to compensate. 



Wayward_Current #8 Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:43 AM

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View PostSimeon85, on 12 June 2018 - 09:36 AM, said:

The tank is fine and well balanced as the statistics show.

 

If it gets a turret armour buff then it's a completely unnecessary buff, so something else has to be nerfed to compensate. 

 

Exactly when I "learned" to play E 100, by means of tilting turret left or right to angle it all the time like a drunk  monkey turning its head left and right and dancing on the straet ,to deny granted penetration by anyone it faces,  did  I understood I am  driving a superhavy tier X joke about Germans..

 

Wargaming lacks in inderstanding what true balancing is, it must include satissfaction of players who drive the tank.

 

Many threads about E 100 is the proof of it.


Edited by Wayward_Current, 12 June 2018 - 09:48 AM.


Simeon85 #9 Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:50 AM

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View PostWayward_Current, on 12 June 2018 - 09:43 AM, said:

 

Exactly when I "learned" to play E 100, 

 

When was that? Cos I see no evidence of it.

 

You have barely 80 games in it, a 42% WR and you do 1.7k damage, which is 1k below it's HP. 

 

Bad workman blaming his tools. 



Dava_117 #10 Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:54 AM

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I voted yes, but it's more a "yes if the 60TP get the 152mm gun", because that would powercreep the E100. But if they tone down the polish HE to 950 alpha and give it a 20 shell ammorack, this mayactually change into a no.

 

If not, in any case, I won't buff the turret front. It's fine. Buff the turret side by 10-20mm, so it's easyer to angle the turret to bounce HEAT. We don't need another tank with premium proof turret armour, especially if it sports a 750 alpha gun.


Edited by Dava_117, 12 June 2018 - 09:55 AM.


tankqull #11 Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:01 AM

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View PostSimeon85, on 12 June 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

The tank is fine and well balanced as the statistics show.

 

If it gets a turret armour buff then it's a completely unnecessary buff, so something else has to be nerfed to compensate. 

 

jep gold ammo.

Cobra6 #12 Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:27 AM

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Premium ammo is, and always will be, a tremendous problem for balancing in this game.

Doesn't make a difference that it's now "credits only", the fundamental balance problems are still as present as they were years ago.

 

-Premium ammo should be removed completely from this game.

-At the same time all armor values should be rebalanced for standard ammo.

 

Then and only then the problem will be solved. Tweaking will not solve the issue since you will still have more penetration then standard ammo which is the issue combined with the fact that armor balancing has only gotten worse over time so it's now more compulsory then it was 5 years ago to use premium ammo.

 

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hasnainrakha57 #13 Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:42 AM

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View PostSimeon85, on 12 June 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

The tank is fine and well balanced as the statistics show.

 

If it gets a turret armour buff then it's a completely unnecessary buff, so something else has to be nerfed to compensate. 

Too buff e100 it needs something else to be nerfed?.does it have anything good?

1)worst accuracy.

2)Worst aimtime.

3)Worst ap penetration.

4)Worst armour.

 

That 750 alpha no more big deal object 705 have 650.New polish will get 750.

 

 

View PostCobra6, on 12 June 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

Premium ammo is, and always will be, a tremendous problem for balancing in this game.

Doesn't make a difference that it's now "credits only", the fundamental balance problems are still as present as they were years ago.

 

-Premium ammo should be removed completely from this game.

-At the same time all armor values should be rebalanced for standard ammo.

 

Then and only then the problem will be solved. Tweaking will not solve the issue since you will still have more penetration then standard ammo which is the issue combined with the fact that armor balancing has only gotten worse over time so it's now more compulsory then it was 5 years ago to use premium ammo.

 

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Premium ammo won't be removed Imagine if they did?.Then they have to nerf tons of tanks to be penetrated ap.but our WG will get rid of it within 1 min by doing worst nerfs in history!


 

Edited by Daxeno, 12 June 2018 - 02:37 PM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 June 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

Premium ammo won't be removed Imagine if they did?.Then they have to nerf tons of tanks to be penetrated ap.but our WG will get rid of it within 1 min by doing worst nerfs in history!

 

they do not need to get rid of it. just lower the dmg of a shell by the %ige of overpennening.

Simeon85 #15 Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:53 AM

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 June 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

Too buff e100 it needs something else to be nerfed?.does it have anything good?

1)worst accuracy.

2)Worst aimtime.

3)Worst ap penetration.

4)Worst armour.

 

That 750 alpha no more big deal object 705 have 650.New polish will get 750.

 

 

E100 has loads of good things, 750 alpha being one of the main ones.

 

It also has usable armour, a large slab of hit points, it's decently mobile for a super heavy and the gun handling for such a big gun is actually pretty good. Accuracy and aim time is the same as the IS7 (as is pen pretty much), even though it's got 750 alpha compared to 490.

 

It even has more DPM than an IS7. 

 

We have no idea what the Polish tier 10 will be like. 



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View PostSimeon85, on 12 June 2018 - 09:50 AM, said:

 

When was that? Cos I see no evidence of it.

 

You have barely 80 games in it, a 42% WR and you do 1.7k damage, which is 1k below it's HP.

 

Bad workman blaming his tools.

 

1.Didn't I just said the moment I learned the tank, that means I learned I must tilt turret left-right-lef-right constantly like 160 ton german monkey, in order to deny penetration,  I quit?

2. if it is balanced why one must do dancing tricks to make it operational.?

3. The moment You used ad hominem argument (my skill ) as an  argument the moment you proved you have no  argument  because ad hominem is not an argument .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem, never was and never will be.

4. And again this all can't deny fact that people are consistently complainig on E 100 frontal turret armor anlike for the other tier X Tanks. Its big and stupidly flat and its says "hit me I am all yours" , which is the sole reason of low popularity of this tank despote his appealing and actually fun 150 mm gun.

5. Criteria of tank been balanced includes how popular is. look how popular E 100 is compared to other simillar tanks.


Edited by Wayward_Current, 12 June 2018 - 01:40 PM.


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The  e4 in hevy game style ;) if you love 750 alfa.

 

 

Its beter hevy than e100 - more mobaile, beter dpm, peneration, aim. Same large weak spots. But you can beter hide them



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View Postecefec, on 12 June 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

The  e4 in hevy game style ;) if you love 750 alfa.

 

 

Its beter hevy than e100 - more mobaile, beter dpm, peneration, aim. Same large weak spots. But you can beter hide them

 

Hmm... yeah pretty much. But still E 100 has more HP and imo a better armor than E4, also better terrain resistance and turret traverse speed which is something...

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View PostWayward_Current, on 12 June 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

 

1.Didn't I just said the moment I learned the tank, that means I learned I must tilt turret left-right-lef-right constantly like 160 ton german monkey, in order to deny penetration,  I quit?

2. if it is balanced why one must do dancing tricks to make it operational.?

3. The moment You used ad hominem argument (my skill ) as an  argument the moment you proved you have no  argument  because ad hominem is not an argument .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem, never was and never will be.

4. And again this all can't deny fact that people are consistently complainig on E 100 frontal turret armor anlike for the other tier X Tanks. Its big and stupidly flat and its says "hit me I am all yours" , which is the sole reason of low popularity of this tank despote his appealing and actually fun 150 mm gun.

5. Criteria of tank been balanced includes how popular is. look how popular E 100 is compared to other simillar tanks.

 

1. You mean angling, so what you have to do in other tanks?  That is part of armour use, if you expect to be able to just sit there and bounce shots I suggest don't play balanced heavies. We have enough idiot proof heavies like the Type 5, we don't need more, angling the turret of the E100 is part of using the tank. Same with angling the Maus turret, going hull down in a Super Conqueror, or sidescraping in a 215b is. 

 

2. It's balanced because the statistics show it's balanced. If you can't make it work then that is your problem, not the tanks. That is like claiming a medium needs a buff cos it's only balanced if you use it's mobility. 

 

3.  Yeh re-read the definition, I am not attacking your character. I am pointing out your statistical performance in the tank we are discussing, which is completely relevant. It would be like a normal person driving an FA car and saying it's a crap car because they are not a good enough driver to drive it to it's potential. That is not ad-hominem, that is just a fact.

 

You even admitted yourself you have not learned how to play the tank, yet here you are claiming it needs a buff. 

 

4. I am not going to deny that bad players consistently whine about tanks because they can't play them. E100 is no different to other tanks.

 

5. It's the 8th most played tier 10, if it was so bad as you claim, people wouldn't play it, but they consistently do.

 

If you want an actual tier 10 heavy that needs a buff, then look at the IS4, which is the 39th most played tier 10 and is played about 1/4 the amount the E100 is, so the E100 is 4 times more popular than an IS4.

 

Go watch some streamers or youtube videos on how to actually play the tank. E100 is not balanced around it's armour it's balanced around the gun. If you are sitting there just letting people take shot after shot into your turret you are doing it wrong. 

 

View Postecefec, on 12 June 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

The  e4 in hevy game style ;) if you love 750 alfa.

 

 

Its beter hevy than e100 - more mobaile, beter dpm, peneration, aim. Same large weak spots. But you can beter hide them

 

 

No it's the other way round, the only real advantage the E4 has over an E100 is penetration. If you don't use the E4's 375 pen APCR rounds then basically it just a worse in every way E100. 

 


Edited by Simeon85, 12 June 2018 - 02:02 PM.


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View PostWayward_Current, on 12 June 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

 

1.Didn't I just said the moment I learned the tank, that means I learned I must tilt turret left-right-lef-right constantly like 160 ton german monkey, in order to deny penetration,  I quit?

2. if it is balanced why one must do dancing tricks to make it operational.?

3. The moment You used ad hominem argument (my skill ) as an  argument the moment you proved you have no  argument  because ad hominem is not an argument .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem, never was and never will be.

4. And again this all can't deny fact that people are consistently complainig on E 100 frontal turret armor anlike for the other tier X Tanks. Its big and stupidly flat and its says "hit me I am all yours" , which is the sole reason of low popularity of this tank despote his appealing and actually fun 150 mm gun.

5. Criteria of tank been balanced includes how popular is. look how popular E 100 is compared to other simillar tanks.

 

People complain about E100 turrer all day because think that armour should work automatically. That's not true, using armour require skill, as everything else in WoT. 

I agree that, if 60TP get the 152mm in the current state, E100 turret may need a buff but, as I said, I would add 10-20mm to turret sides so people that know how to use armour will be able to angle the turret more easily while noob will still get killed. Afterall 150mm is the same as KV-4 at tier 8, and 170mm will be closer to ST-I turret sides, so far from brocken.

 

Also remember that WG balancing line using popularity as balancing factor bring us 268v4...






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