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Poll: Grand Battle game mode and your opinions on it (57 members have cast votes)

You have to complete 250 battles in order to participate this poll.

When was the last time you were in a Grand Battle?

  1. Today (3 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  2. Last week (5 votes [8.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.77%

  3. Last month (5 votes [8.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.77%

  4. Longer/Can't remember (13 votes [22.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.81%

  5. I disabled it (24 votes [42.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.11%

  6. I don't play tier 10 (7 votes [12.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.28%

Do you think Grand Battle is a good game mode?

  1. Yes, I like it (21 votes [36.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.84%

  2. Indifferent (13 votes [22.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.81%

  3. I hate it/I disabled it (15 votes [26.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.32%

  4. I don't play tier 10 (8 votes [14.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.04%

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PervyPastryPuffer #1 Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:18 PM

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Over the past few months, I've played tier 10 tanks enough times to be put in a dozen Grand Battles...but I never was.

 

You could offer me a billion $$$ to tell you when was the last time I've been in a Grand Battle, but I just could not tell you, I have no clue.

 

I have it enabled in settings...but...no matter during what time of day I play, morning, evening...I just cannot enter a single Grand Battle.

 

What happened to this mode? Has everyone disabled it in their settings? Or is the MM so *edited* it keeps putting all the tier 10's to fight tier 8's constantly?...

 

If you're wondering why I brought up this subject... I've completed 59/60 artillery missions with honors, the last one to do is SPG-15-4's honors. I completed its main objective in a Grand Battle months ago with the T92, but unfortunately it was a loss, so honors didn't count (req. win & survive). I've been trying ever since to get the honors done, but I can't enter the mode anymore.

 

Edit: oh no... :trollface:


Edited by NickMustaine, 12 June 2018 - 01:39 PM.
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Suurpolskija #2 Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:32 PM

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You're missing the option: "I don't play tier x because of the horrible balance there so I've never had the chance to see these Grand Battles".

 

 



PervyPastryPuffer #3 Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:34 PM

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View PostSuurpolskija, on 11 June 2018 - 10:32 PM, said:

You're missing the option: "I don't play tier x because of the horrible balance there so I've never had the chance to see these Grand Battles".

 

I was thinking about putting it in, but then I thought it was too many options...

Sharp1903 #4 Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:44 PM

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Yep, its so rare to play Grand Battles . I wish it's a seperate mode :(  

Balc0ra #5 Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:05 PM

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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 11 June 2018 - 10:18 PM, said:

 What happened to this mode? Has everyone disabled it in their settings? Or is the MM so *edited*it keeps putting all the tier 10's to fight tier 8's constantly?...

 

I've had it on since day one in the settings. Seen it 11 times. I suspect more and more turn it off. As going by responses on the WOT FB page etc. Most seems to think tier X is too broken to enjoy atm. As power creep there is worse then on most tiers. Most of the old HT's even struggle vs the new tier X meds like the 430 U. 

View PostSharp1903, on 11 June 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

Yep, its so rare to play Grand Battles . I wish it's a seperate mode :(  

 

I never get why they don't do it. Keep it so you can do missions there so that ppl will use it still, as that's half the traffic the mode would get I'm sure. Have it as a separate mode, but keep dropping in ppl from randoms that have it on in the settings too. If no one plays it still then. Sure. But if some action is gained from it. Keep it there. They have nothing to lose on it tbh. 

WindSplitter1 #6 Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:17 PM

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This is pretty much a catch 22. WG stated they spinned off what we know as GB from Frontline, being the latter a far superior game mode, even when stripped from the reward system (which was fairly retarded, apart from the bonds).

 

GB is still too corridorised. I'd argue it doesn't bring anything new, but that would be my opinion only and it's worth what it's worth.



eldrak #7 Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:53 AM

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GB is there to help the MM so it doesn't create too many single tier X games. If there isn't a surplus of tier X tanks, then not many GBs will be formed.

 

Last two weeks there's been the CW campaign which probably made people play a lot less tier X in randoms due to fatigue/lack of credits. Prepare for a sudden upswing in tier X played in randoms as now some people will have to grind bonds to get their 'reward' tanks.



tankqull #8 Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:58 AM

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reduce team sizes to 20, and make it un-disabable.

cap arty numbers at 2, cap TD numbers at 3 as well as light tanks on each side.


Edited by tankqull, 12 June 2018 - 10:07 AM.


Simeon85 #9 Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:04 AM

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I turned it off.

 

Basically there is nothing wrong with the concept of the mode IMO, but the execution is terrible.

 

1. If you increase the number of tanks to 60, as in doubling the number of tanks, then increasing the map size by just 50% means you have actually made the map more cramped than random maps. The maps need to be more like Frontline size.

 

2. These GB maps have taken the over powered and downright disgusting base camping spots on many random maps and then dialled them up to 10, so you can have in some cases over 10 tier 10 TDs camping in these areas making any approach or aggressive play completely pointless. 

 

 



undutchable80 #10 Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:15 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 11 June 2018 - 11:05 PM, said:

 

I've had it on since day one in the settings. Seen it 11 times. I suspect more and more turn it off. As going by responses on the WOT FB page etc. Most seems to think tier X is too broken to enjoy atm. As power creep there is worse then on most tiers. Most of the old HT's even struggle vs the new tier X meds like the 430 U.

 

Lol, Tier 10s complaining about other Tier 10s unbalance & powercreep, then proceed to turn off GB and feed on the despair of us lowly Tier 8s...

jack_timber #11 Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:26 AM

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GB great fun especially in arty. Yes bring it back more often. Only played it one in last month I thought it was maybe FL that was suppressing GB's.

Dava_117 #12 Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:33 AM

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I quite like GB. Especially I liked the klondike map more than Nebelburg. In fact I may try some tier 10 battle after the next patch to try out the new klondike.

But it's from the Progetto marathon that I almost stop to play tier 10. It's crap with all the powercreep and overbuffed veicles. That's quite a shame, because I can't get GB in this way....



Simeon85 #13 Posted 12 June 2018 - 11:41 AM

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View Postundutchable80, on 12 June 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

 

Lol, Tier 10s complaining about other Tier 10s unbalance & powercreep, then proceed to turn off GB and feed on the despair of us lowly Tier 8s...

 

The sad thing about 3-5-7 is the tier 8s are always in tier 10 games, but if you switch to tier 10 you barely ever face any tier 8s. 

HarryStotle #14 Posted 12 June 2018 - 11:50 AM

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Blame Pref MM tanks. They are forcing too many t10's into t8 matches so not enough tonks for GB any more... Obviously.

undutchable80 #15 Posted 12 June 2018 - 11:55 AM

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View PostSimeon85, on 12 June 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

 

The sad thing about 3-5-7 is the tier 8s are always in tier 10 games, but if you switch to tier 10 you barely ever face any tier 8s. 

 

I hear ya and I feel ya. Same about those Tier 6 players who complain about facing Tier 8 tanks all the time, and thereś me playing a lot of Tier 8 going: "wait what? Who?? When?? HOW???" :izmena:

DutchBaron_ #16 Posted 12 June 2018 - 11:57 AM

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I have played a bit when it came out and a bit on the test servers and I quite liked it. But since I only have tier 10 German heavies I have turned it of until I get some tier 10 meds. GB in a mouse isn't particularly fun I would say

Enforcer1975 #17 Posted 12 June 2018 - 11:58 AM

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View PostHarryStotle, on 12 June 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

Blame Pref MM tanks. They are forcing too many t10's into t8 matches so not enough tonks for GB any more... Obviously.

Absolutely...since you rarely see pmm tanks anymore because they are useless. 



breeeze #18 Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:27 PM

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The poll is missing an option "Grand battles is a good concept but the maps are hot garbage". Also the potential of having 5 arty focus you isn't particularly fun.

TankkiPoju #19 Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:29 PM

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You can get almost the full Grand Battle experience by just playing full tier 10 game on Province.

 

It's a mess.

 

EDIT: What breeeze already said. One big reason why Frontline was so good is the HUUUGE map size. If GB maps were as big, the mode would be worth it.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 12 June 2018 - 12:31 PM.


Dorander #20 Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:37 PM

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I like grand battles, but I still disabled them. Conceptually the idea is cool, far larger maps, bigger tank slugout, pure tier X.

 

Problems arise with the current tier X balance, a game mechanic where hard cover is your best defense (and consequentially a map edge is the hardest cover you can get from any direction) and maps that are still split into 3 corridors (and even worse have 3 spawn points per team indicating which corridor you are "assigned" to). Add to that the complete randomness of team setups and in practice it ends up being irritating, especially as it frequently seems not to matter how well you play, when you suddenly find yourself alone against the rest of the enemy team 'cause the rest of your team got mopped up in minutes.







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