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Hulkovius_Rex #1 Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:21 PM

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Well, the title is pretty selfexplanatory, I'm grinding the T-44 atm and I don't need much more EXP to unlock a tier 9 soviet medium. The question is, which one? I'm thinking the T-54 because from what I can tell it's basically a tier 9 T-44. But I'm also thinking the 430 because of the alpha and good armour. I'm probably gonna get both at a certain point, but I don't know which one to start with.

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Depends if you are willing to spam a lot of HEAT or not.

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View Postunrealname, on 12 June 2018 - 03:27 PM, said:

Depends if you are willing to spam a lot of HEAT or not.

 

I play my T55-A quite a bit and I don't have any HEAT loaded. I still do well. 

TankkiPoju #4 Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:42 PM

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View PostHulkovius_Rex, on 12 June 2018 - 03:37 PM, said:

 

I play my T55-A quite a bit and I don't have any HEAT loaded. I still do well. 

 

And if you loaded HEAT, you would do even better.

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View PostHulkovius_Rex, on 12 June 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

Well, the title is pretty selfexplanatory, I'm grinding the T-44 atm and I don't need much more EXP to unlock a tier 9 soviet medium. The question is, which one? I'm thinking the T-54 because from what I can tell it's basically a tier 9 T-44. But I'm also thinking the 430 because of the alpha and good armour. I'm probably gonna get both at a certain point, but I don't know which one to start with.

 

I would say T-54.

 

430 is probably a stronger tank but the gun is a tad too trollish for me. Or the T-54 just suits me better or something.



Sfinski #6 Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:45 PM

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View PostHulkovius_Rex, on 12 June 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

 

I play my T55-A quite a bit and I don't have any HEAT loaded. I still do well. 

 

1,8k average on t9 isn't well really. It's barely well at t8. Load the heat, it's what the gun is for. 

Warzey #7 Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:49 PM

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Hmm, that's a tough question, both T-54 and Obj 430 are strong T9 mediums. When it comes to grind Obj 430 has a massive advantage because you basically get a fully upgraded tank at the start. Frontal armor is about the same on both tanks, but 430 has a sloped side armor which is a lot better than flat side of T-54. In mobility department T-54 is a clear winner. 

Gun is a bit tricky to compare, 430 has better DPM, better standard penetration, but worse gun handling, aim time, accuracy. As you probably know, T-54 has an amazing 330 pen HEAT ammo, while premium rounds on 430 are borderline useless, they're not good enough to deal with super heavies, and going from 240 to 270 pen is negligible in most situations. In my experience if you're fighting at medium to short range the 430 gun will generally do a better job and most importantly it will cost less credits, on the other hand at longer range T-54 gun will be able to deliver more consistent damage, especially with HEAT.

Basically it comes down to your play style, if you like to play very aggressively I feel you'll do better in 430, otherwise get T-54.



tankqull #8 Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:58 PM

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430 - if you are not willing to spend free xp/spamm gold with the T44 gun on the T54

_Sensation_ #9 Posted 12 June 2018 - 04:05 PM

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I guess the 430, since the 430U is a more competitive tank than the T62A and 140 in the current meta

CptBarney #10 Posted 12 June 2018 - 05:20 PM

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View PostSfinski, on 12 June 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

1,8k average on t9 isn't well really. It's barely well at t8. Load the heat, it's what the gun is for. 

 

on a tank not designed for huge amounts of damage per shot, and is mediocore in general thats not too bad.

 

it's just poor game design when you need to load gold ammo to be useful in the first place.


Edited by CptBarney, 12 June 2018 - 05:20 PM.


Mimos_A #11 Posted 12 June 2018 - 05:38 PM

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I'd say the 430 is the better tank. But the T-54 isn't bad by any means. And the T-54 leads to the 140, which is very useful to have in clan games. But then the 430/430u are probably better in randoms at the moment. It's a tough choice, you can't really go wrong with either of them to be honest.

Enforcer1975 #12 Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:19 PM

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430 somehow works better for me. 

XxKuzkina_MatxX #13 Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:38 PM

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Obj 430 only because it leads to a better tank, the 430u which is better than both the 140 and 62a.

General_McMuschi #14 Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:42 PM

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useful video to see before getting t-54:



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View PostHulkovius_Rex, on 12 June 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

 

I play my T55-A quite a bit and I don't have any HEAT loaded. I still do well. 

 

View PostSfinski, on 12 June 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

1,8k average on t9 isn't well really. It's barely well at t8. Load the heat, it's what the gun is for. 

 

Everything in moderation Sfinski, 1800 is a good average, just not great average.

 

TBH i didn't like the T55 and sold it when i got good enough to realise it was a poor T9 med.

 

As for 430 v T-54 - here is your answer

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 12 June 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

Obj 430 only because it leads to a better tank, the 430u which is better than both the 140 and 62a.

 



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Obj 430 if you want to play the  tier 10 chinese MT at tier 9

 



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View PostSfinski, on 12 June 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

 

1,8k average on t9 isn't well really. It's barely well at t8. Load the heat, it's what the gun is for. 

 

It's good because that tank has a poor tier 8 gun

201 pen on standard ammo...



snowlywhite #18 Posted 13 June 2018 - 04:10 AM

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430(which I have) is... dunno, I hate it. I mean, it's good for WR since when you're top tier in 3-5-7... half their team can't do crap and you bully with total impunity. So you should win more of those games(which should be about 20% of the games). But in the rest of the games: 6-70% of tier X seem to shoot gold anyway(I have same ratio in my bc too, so apparently ppl. just don't bother to change ammo) and almost all tier 9s too after they bounce once or twice.

 

so you're left with a "heavium" which means you have some armor, but in reality won't bounce much at all, definitely mediocre mobility(ok on flat, but it's a struggle on a hill) and a gun which is totally troll. Sometimes you hit on the move, way more times it'll miss fully aimed shots by a mile. Anyway, it misses enough to get on my nerves. And the gun depression is enough to give you a depression.

 

regarding mobility: it has better camo than bc. I get anyway camo as 1st skill on meds. But... view range is mediocre, crew layout(do you pass on repairs as 4th skill on commander for SA?) and you don't really reach in position to spot. Everything about this tank screams "fight close" and then you get great camo(which obviously probably reduced the other stats when they balanced it) but hardly any way to abuse that camo as you won't get there in time.

 

anyway, gun handling and gun depression are what piss me off most.

 

t-54: have it unlocked for an eternity, but can't afford it. I'm not willing to pay WG any dime as long as they keep 3-5-7 MM in place, so I don't have premium. And playing with 219 pen at tier 9 seems like a bad joke. Also: probably you know, but look again at that stock grind if you don't want to throw some 100k free xp in this direction :P

 

n.b. - I'm not interested in playing tier X. So to what each of them lead to is pretty irrelevant to me.


Edited by snowlywhite, 13 June 2018 - 04:11 AM.





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