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SupremeNoob #1 Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:47 AM

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 It wasn't OP, had to use a lot of Prem ammo, but you could take shots from most tanks as long as you had your hull down.Now the armor has been weakened by truly massive amounts meaning anything from Tier 8 will pen you almost anywhere on this tank. What we got as compensation is a seemingly better gun (the original was pretty good) and you get a bit more cammo. Now, instead of playing this tank aggressively which was sort of the way to play it many situations, and was the most fun,  you now have to sneak around and snipe totally changing the game play. Stuff I could do easily, the entire essence of how the tankwas played is now changed/nerfed.

 

If they had just made the Tier X a better version of the 430Mk2 it would have made total sense. Over thinking game designers creating a problem where there wasn't one?. The 430mk2 was just an average med tank but could find a home with people who liked the play style. Now its a glass cannon just like its new Tier X counterpart. After a few matches I was penned by everything - no bounces, not once. Tier x went

through my turret like cheese.  The new gun which you have to shell out 220,000 credits for is no more effective (to me) than the previous one. The only ppl who will notice the difference are Unicum players.

 

 

 


Edited by SupremeNoob, 17 June 2018 - 06:34 PM.


Rokim #2 Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:06 AM

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After first battle I was amazed by the gun while putting shot after shot into my enemys like a world biathlon champion than I enabled boosters for xp and crew,I didnt won a battle since than in 1 hour and a half 10 defeats in row.

Pumping damage while loosing  it doesnt matter 3 or 6k dmg meanwhile your team dying like flys.Its getting boring after a hour.Pumping damage and loosing,jeejj hurajj juhu.Tank is good, when enemys begin to shooting you 90% of ur team is dead already and in a matter of seconds followes a defeat.



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They made the 430v2 bad so the people who did not have it now have to spend Free XP to get to the K-91 if they dont wanna suffer the grind.

SupremeNoob #4 Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:07 AM

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Yes they massively nerfed a great tank (Object 430mk2) but the K91 is possibly even worse (see edit). It really is a massive joke. I cannot play the K91 as a med. I have to play it like a sort of TD 3rd line support or some kind of useless light tank. So far I have not bounced a single shot. Its incredibly depressing when every shot goes through the turret like butter.

 

 

 

EDIT

Ok maybe not quite as bad as my initial thoughts. Ill calm down the hysterics :hiding:


Edited by Kampa1987, 09 August 2018 - 12:44 PM.
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Somnorila #5 Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:09 AM

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It has sense to be better than the tier 8 and worse than the tier 10, if they would had kept it like before it wouldn't made sense, it was in the patch video you know...

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View PostRokim, on 13 June 2018 - 10:06 AM, said:

After first battle I was amazed by the gun while putting shot after shot into my enemys like a world biathlon champion than I enabled boosters for xp and crew,I didnt won a battle since than in 1 hour and a half 10 defeats in row.

Pumping damage while loosing  it doesnt matter 3 or 6k dmg meanwhile your team dying like flys.Its getting boring after a hour.Pumping damage and loosing,jeejj hurajj juhu.Tank is good, when enemys begin to shooting you 90% of ur team is dead already and in a matter of seconds followes a defeat.

 

This will be a familiar story in this tank. Its definitely a losing tank in any team. The ONLY players who will work this tank well are Unicum. but why would they even bother with this utter POS when there are far better choices.

 

 

View PostSomnorila, on 13 June 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

It has sense to be better than the tier 8 and worse than the tier 10, if they would had kept it like before it wouldn't made sense, it was in the patch video you know...

 

Agreed

Why didn tthey just leave the Object 430mk2 as it was and simply make the Tier X a little better. Put it this way, I would rather have the pre nerfed Object 430 mk2 as the Tier X. I could do way better with that than the K91 useless pos garbage...

Anyone get the feeling I dont like this tank :sceptic:


 

Somnorila #7 Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:13 AM

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Yes they massively nerfed a great tank (Object 430mk2) but the K91 is possibly even worse. It really is a massive joke. I cannot play the K91 as a med. I have to play it like a sort of TD 3rd line support or some kind of useless light tank. So far I have not bounced a single shot. Its incredibly depressing when every shot goes through the turret like butter.

 

WARNING TO ALL:

DO NOT GRIND THIS LINE OF RUSSIAN MED TANK.

 

Agree but not because it would be a bad branch but because you can't play them in the current maps and meta. I liked the tier 8 when it was still a thing for team battles, not now. It would had been a great line when spotting-snipping was the meta backed up by proper maps for that approach for game play. But you know, "invisible tanks!" and all the constant influx of new players because it's not profitable to focus on player retention and player happiness.


Edited by Somnorila, 13 June 2018 - 11:15 AM.


SupremeNoob #8 Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:17 AM

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And ill just say it. yes I know its CLICHE' but i really believe this is a justified request

 

DEAR WG

IMPROVE THE ARMOR OF THE K91 AND REVERT THE OBJECT 430 MK2 back to its original form.

Do it not and I will make a claim in the world court of fair gameplay in Geneva which doesnt exist yet but I will create it :coin:


Edited by Kampa1987, 09 August 2018 - 12:42 PM.
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SupremeNoob #9 Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:21 AM

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View PostSomnorila, on 13 June 2018 - 11:13 AM, said:

 

Agree but not because it would be a bad branch but because you can't play them in the current maps and meta. I liked the tier 8 when it was still a thing for team battles, not now. It would had been a great line when spotting-snipping was the meta backed up by proper maps for that approach for game play. But you know, "invisible tanks!" and all the constant influx of new players because it's not profitable to focus on player retention and player happiness.

 

I agree but I also think no matter which map or conditions this thing is not up to par by a long stretch.

I will keep playing for a few days and see if i can change tactics. But I'm not a campy player so I cant see this glass cannon working for me.

I loved the fact I could brawl with the Object 430mk2 pre nerf but that cant happen now - although I think its a bit better than the K91.



Rokim #10 Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:23 AM

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Will try twitch and youtubers strategy.Food and gold

Edited by Rokim, 18 June 2018 - 10:41 AM.


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View PostRokim, on 13 June 2018 - 10:06 AM, said:

After first battle I was amazed by the gun while putting shot after shot into my enemys like a world biathlon champion than I enabled boosters for xp and crew,I didnt won a battle since than in 1 hour and a half 10 defeats in row.

Pumping damage while loosing  it doesnt matter 3 or 6k dmg meanwhile your team dying like flys.Its getting boring after a hour.Pumping damage and loosing,jeejj hurajj juhu.Tank is good, when enemys begin to shooting you 90% of ur team is dead already and in a matter of seconds followes a defeat.

 

Where you using the top gun before this nerf? 

 

This tank lost massive armor and gained

a dpm bonus of 39 damage!

a aim time reduction of 0.3 sec

a dispersion buff of 0.1

and a pen buff of 45 mm

 

That pen buff is worthless since everyone playing this tank always loaded full gold.

 

So basically this tank lost 100 hp, and lost all of its armor for a 39 dpm bonus.

And this in the name of making the branch the same. This tank is not a sniper, it is a close range brawler, but now it can't even side scrape and it can't snipe since its camo is garbage.

And it's still less mobile than a standard tier 9 medium.

 

This was a nerf, nothing more. I don't count that gun buff as a buff since the gun handling was already great. 

 

 


Edited by Draqutsc, 13 June 2018 - 07:48 PM.


TacPenguin #12 Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:39 PM

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Do not buy this tank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It now has the armor of BUTTER every thing you face will just go right thru you.

 

Its now an incredible credit sink since  every game is repair kits / med kits.

 

A ROF buff ooh great  1230 credits per shot is nearly 10,000 per minute in ammo. that is standard ammo.

 

Sit at the back and snipe they say!  And how many maps can you do that???? Few and why do that in a med tank thats what TDs are for.

 

Before it was a clumsy not popular tank with an OK gun and OK armor and a good turret.  Now it is pointless and only modified to fit some fool at wargammings idea of how to create an new med tank line.  Its only reason to be is to drain credits and make you buy premium accounts or buy premium tank to pay for the garbage

 

I do not see a reason to play this rubbish.

 

The T54 and Obj 430 are far better suited to the current game and maps.

 

Obj 430 V2   NO just NO

 

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I like the modification of the Obj 430 V2. For a non gold spammer & a F2P player, this pen buff is a miracle.

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grey_area #14 Posted 14 June 2018 - 04:47 PM

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From the perspective of the Object 416 the changes make total sense as a line of medium snipers. Or you could revert Obj 430 II and make K91 more like that but then you'd just have another Soviet medium brawler and that would be very dull and take little skill to play.

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It makes no sense to me. I don't understand why WG decided to crap all over this tank and make it so bad. Meanwhile other really strong tanks get the slightest of nerfs but this gets crushed by the nerf hammer.

 

Why?



Rokim #16 Posted 15 June 2018 - 11:00 AM

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U guys are right.Tank wonna to be a sniper,has 1000m/s shell velocity,same as amx 50 100. 6 years old e50 is laughing to you with 1200m/s,I wont even mention other tier 9 meds with 105mm rifles with 1500m/s.

Garbage tank.1000m/s sousage,he wont to be a sniper:facepalm:



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View PostRokim, on 15 June 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

U guys are right.Tank wonna to be a sniper,has 1000m/s shell velocity,same as amx 50 100. 6 years old e50 is laughing to you with 1200m/s,I wont even mention other tier 9 meds with 105mm rifles with 1500m/s.

Garbage tank.1000m/s sousage,he wont to be a sniper:facepalm:

 

WZ-120 has 950 velocity with 122mm. Also no armour and paper ammorack. *qq's away*

Edited by Shacou, 15 June 2018 - 06:20 PM.


TacPenguin #18 Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:42 PM

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Well as much as i do not like the changes i am not going to sell it but come what may i'm going to finish its grind.

 

What equipment to run on it now ??

 

It still have Optics, Stab, Vents on it.

 

Maybe swap vents for rammer to up the DPM a little?

 

What are your thoughts anyone? if you play it still what do you run or think i should run?

 

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SupremeNoob #19 Posted 17 June 2018 - 06:30 PM

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Update K91 - Im going to play this tank a bit more than I thought. Its strength is the excellent ROF. I already know I would rather have the K91 than the 430u (which I have since sold). Still, the 140 is my fav Russian Tier x Med.

Gonna give the K91 a good try and see how it goes. :coin:



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View PostTacPenguin, on 15 June 2018 - 05:42 PM, said:

what do you think i should run?

 

If u cant make a tank work you can try twitch and youtubers strategy.Food and gold




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