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sgtfeke #1 Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:52 AM

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I dont understand that in tier 7  the chiri has the worst ap and gold ap ammo in this tier and this ammo is more expensive than the others! 

1 piece of this ammo cost 3200 credits and it has only 186mm pen and only 130 dmg i think this is too expensive with this abilities because the other tier 7 medium tanks are cheaper and better gold ammos or for the same price have more better stats for example the comet gold ammo price 2800 crd 140 dmg and 208mm pen or the panther has 2800crd 135 dmg 244 mm pen kv 13 and t43 3200 crd 180 dmg 194 mm pen vk 3002 d 3200 crd 220 dmg 194 mm pen and in tier 7 has more more better gold ammos for 4400 credits : the a44 4400 crd 300 dmg 219 mm pen and the t34-1 4400 credits 250 dmg 235 mm pen. 

In the battle if u need a normal stats u have to do your tank hp in dmg to the enemy team for example with the chiri: it has 1250 hp this is 10 ammo with this tank! in tier 9 u have to use the gold ammo because the normal ammo has 155mm pen and try to penetrate a t54 or obj 430 from 400 meters or the obj 257 hahahahaa (its a joke ) u have to use gold! 10x3200=32000 credits! for normal stats with the worst penetrate ability in tier 7. The panther with normal ammo has more better stats than the chiri-s gold it has 120m/s faster 12mm more pen and 5 hp more dmg and see this:10x109=1090 credits for normal stats in tier 9 or if u use gold with the panther it is only 28000 credits and this ammo has 58mm more pen and this ammo is faster +360m/s, or if u with the vk3002d the 1250 dmg is only 6 ammo 6x3200=192000 credits for normal stat with better pen, or t43 and kv13 1250 hp dmg is more than these tanks hp only 7 ammo 7x3200=22400 it is cheaper than chiri now see the higher price ammos a44 1100 hp !!! only 4 ammo 4x4400=17600 this is 14400 credits difference between the chiri and the a44 or t34-1 has 1050 hp and 250 dmg/shot 4 ammo but if u have lowroll u have to shot 5 ammo 5x4400=22000credits and this is again cheaper than the chiri. and the problem is all of these ammo has better abilities than the chiris gold ammo. 

Somebody thinking about this problem? Maybe the WG! 

 


Edited by sgtfeke, 13 June 2018 - 10:06 AM.


Aikl #2 Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:11 AM

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May I recommend some proper formatting? I get that English isn't everyone's first language, but this reads like a block of crap - and to my knowledge there isn't any disability that prevents you from using proper formatting - and it certainly looks like all the keys you need actually work.

 

Anyway, that whole line needs a revamp. The Chi-Ri was pretty nice back in the day, at least for a T7 medium. It could probably use some tweaking; lately WG haven't been shy about adjusting e.g. armor values without any concern for historical accuracy. Higher pen could help too, as well as an alternate gun. There were plans for an 88, for instance, not a horrible idea as a good gun usable with the small turret.

 

PS: Don't use the top radio. Look at the weight. You don't need that extra 500kg.


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Simple, just don't use it.. Farm lower tier and not too armored tanks.

 

Chi-Ri is at best a good support/mopping-up-in-the-end- tank. No frontline brawler at all, so you shouldn't get into a fight like that, choose other ones. Leave the heavies for other tanks to deal with.



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View PostHamsterkicker, on 13 June 2018 - 11:13 AM, said:

Simple, just don't use it.. Farm lower tier and not too armored tanks.

 

Chi-Ri is at best a good support/mopping-up-in-the-end- tank. No frontline brawler at all, so you shouldn't get into a fight like that, choose other ones. Leave the heavies for other tanks to deal with.

 

Chi-Ri is heavy tank.

 



Balc0ra #5 Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:58 AM

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Problem? No. It has a bust damage gun. Not a single fire gun. If it had a single fire gun. I would see your issue. But since it has 390 bust damage in 2 seconds. It can get in face of most high alpha guns, smack it, and smack it again before they are done reloading, as mine reloads in just over 8 seconds. And corner trading vs other tier 7 meds it does rather well too. So having cheaper gold ammo.. with more pen even. With 390 burst damage.... would be a bit silly if it was over 230 pen like the T-34-1. And did cost 2800 like the Comet. You can see why that would be an issue. 

 

Nor do I use that much on mine to worry about it. As it's AP ammo is dirt cheap anyway, so it's not like it's a credit sinker. 



sgtfeke #6 Posted 13 June 2018 - 12:20 PM

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thanks for comments can u tell me your stats with this chiri tank?

I have 2 gunmark on 93% 

And u?

65% gunmark players pls dont comment 


Edited by sgtfeke, 13 June 2018 - 12:32 PM.


Cobra6 #7 Posted 13 June 2018 - 12:36 PM

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Chi-Ri is a product of the old autoloader balancing just like the T69 and T54E1 are. This means that to compensate for the fact that they have an autoloader, Wargaming gave them bad penetration to artificially try and limit the impact they could have with a clip.

 

In the current state of WoT this balancing issue can be easily brought up to scratch by increasing the pen on the standard ammo of the Chi-Ri to 165mm=>175mm, the pen of the T69 to 202mm and the pen of the T54E1 to 240mm.

 

Back in the days I played it and actually rather enjoyed it despite the low penetration but WoT was a different game back then with far less over-armourer heavies etc.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 13 June 2018 - 12:38 PM.


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View PostlnfernaI, on 13 June 2018 - 10:50 AM, said:

 

Chi-Ri is heavy tank.

 

Do you even Japanese tank designations?

Chi stands for medium tank, Ri stands for design number (9 in this case).

 

But yeah, Chi-Ri gold ammo is a joke.

Got some... 450 or so battles in her, and I rarely if ever use it at all.

Its regular ammo, however, is in the upper echelons of the tier 7 mediums, with most having less pen than it. Or at least, it used to be that.

Still plenty of tanks with less pen though; Panther/M10, VK02D, Comet, 7.5cm Leo (10cm Leo has same pen), KV-13, T43...

 

But yeah, its gold ammo should be the standard with some other shell becoming the new gold ammo.

Should go a long way to rectify the other shortcomings of the Chi-Ri.

I mean, good luck trying to flank with one of the biggest and slowest tier 7 mediums.

It doesn't even have good armour for its tier.

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 There were plans for an 88, for instance, not a horrible idea as a good gun usable with the small turret.

 No, there wasn't.

Japan has only a single, 8.8cm cannon and that's an AA one.

If you'd want a more historical cannon for the Chi-Ri (Kai), you'd have to go for a 10cm one which was actually planned for it.



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Chi-Ri a heavy?... :amazed:

 

Well, it's true that it's shape reminds of the Type 4 Heavy (I mean, look at it!) but it has 1/10th the armor thickness. :D

 

Any weakly-armor autoloader is a support vehicle and/or assassin. Don't forget the Chi-Ri can do as much damage in one clip as an IS, but unlike the IS, it won't miss all 390 damage.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 13 June 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

Do you even Japanese tank designations?

Chi stands for medium tank, Ri stands for design number (9 in this case).

 

But yeah, Chi-Ri gold ammo is a joke.

Got some... 450 or so battles in her, and I rarely if ever use it at all.

Its regular ammo, however, is in the upper echelons of the tier 7 mediums, with most having less pen than it. Or at least, it used to be that.

Still plenty of tanks with less pen though; Panther/M10, VK02D, Comet, 7.5cm Leo (10cm Leo has same pen), KV-13, T43...

 

But yeah, its gold ammo should be the standard with some other shell becoming the new gold ammo.

Should go a long way to rectify the other shortcomings of the Chi-Ri.

I mean, good luck trying to flank with one of the biggest and slowest tier 7 mediums.

It doesn't even have good armour for its tier.

 No, there wasn't.

Japan has only a single, 8.8cm cannon and that's an AA one.

If you'd want a more historical cannon for the Chi-Ri (Kai), you'd have to go for a 10cm one which was actually planned for it.

 

Why do you doubt me, pitiful loli?

If I played it unlike most Mediums and still got away with it on full gold,who cares? If I can turn into a tank that is heavy,although with lackluster armor,but great burst porential,I don't see why i wouldn't do that.



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Reminds me, that I still need to elite the Chi-Ri... *sigh*

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 13 June 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

If you'd want a more historical cannon for the Chi-Ri (Kai), you'd have to go for a 10cm one which was actually planned for it.

 

Yes, I would support such addition.

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View Postsgtfeke, on 13 June 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

thanks for comments can u tell me your stats with this chiri tank?

I have 2 gunmark on 93% 

And u?

65% gunmark players pls dont comment 

 

I have close to 750 games in my T29... but more or less no MOE % on it, nor a single mark. As I've hardly touched it since MOE's came. Thus I never got any for it. As MOE % before it came is not accounted for. Nor have I played the Chi-Ri much since MOE did arrive to grind MOE's for it. As I suspect most that played it here has considering how old the line is. So that is a rather vague excuse to get ppl to shut up. 

 

I'm far from 93% on mine.. And it's been years since I did grind it and played it actively. Still take it out now and then. But 90% of my games in it was before MOE's came. And just about everyone here has better stats in their Chi-Ri then you have. But since it's a grind they did eons ago. MOE is not a good benchmark to go buy. 



playre_eu #14 Posted 13 June 2018 - 05:26 PM

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Exactly as already stated.

I am no super player, but load game - get into cover and wait.

 

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View PostHamsterkicker, on 13 June 2018 - 09:13 AM, said:

Simple, just don't use it.. Farm lower tier and not too armored tanks.

 

 

344 out of 500 of the most frequently played tanks.

 



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View PostBordhaw, on 13 June 2018 - 06:55 PM, said:

 

344 out of 500 of the most frequently played tanks.

 

 

and what is your instruction if i meet an obj 257? or e75 obj 263 mauschen defender  

 



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View Postsgtfeke, on 13 June 2018 - 10:34 PM, said:

 

and what is your instruction if i meet an obj 257? or e75 obj 263 mauschen defender  

 

 

Uhh do the smart thing and avoid them? Find tanks of your own tier to shoot? Is that too much to ask for? You want victory served on a platter?

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I couldn't resist..

 

    Tank Name Tier Ø Damage Ø XP Battles Victories WN8
sgtfeke   Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 803,13 528 333 51,65% 1269,72
hamsterkicker Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1022,22 738 92 58,70% 1853,53
                 
Balc0ra   Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1187,61 720 466 55,79% 2351,56
Tankyouverymuch2 Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1065,94 553 309 54,37% 1974,81
Cobra6   Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1190,89 785 141 51,77% 2102,94
Infernal   Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1172,80 794 100 59,00% 2332,99
Skill4ltu   Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1594,77 1072 171 64,91% 3979,05

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View PostHamsterkicker, on 14 June 2018 - 07:07 AM, said:

I couldn't resist..

 

    Tank Name Tier Ø Damage Ø XP Battles Victories WN8
sgtfeke   Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 803,13 528 333 51,65% 1269,72
hamsterkicker Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1022,22 738 92 58,70% 1853,53
                 
Balc0ra   Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1187,61 720 466 55,79% 2351,56
Tankyouverymuch2 Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1065,94 553 309 54,37% 1974,81
Cobra6   Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1190,89 785 141 51,77% 2102,94
Infernal   Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1172,80 794 100 59,00% 2332,99
Skill4ltu   Type 5 Chi-Ri 7 1594,77 1072 171 64,91% 3979,05

 

Kind of cool to see the comparison and funny that with roughly the same DPG and average XP the win ratio can be so different. Probably has to do with the time when the tank was played.

Speaking for myself I played the Chi-Ri when the Japanese line was just out, so years ago, and I only played it with standard ammo pretty much.

 

But why did you post this, I honestly don't know? :)

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 14 June 2018 - 12:26 PM.


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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 13 June 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

If you'd want a more historical cannon for the Chi-Ri (Kai), you'd have to go for a 10cm one which was actually planned for it.

Correction, the 10cm wasn't planned for the Chi-Ri itself, but a tank that could use components of the Chi-Ri :^)

 

88 cm is not that bad for a single gun option, the problem is just that the gun was actually weaker than the 7.5 cm gun in terms of penetration, altho nothing stops anyone from unhistorically buffing it. 10 cm Type 92 (O-I stock gun) is another reasonable option.

 

I'd buff the mobility. The weight in-game is unhistorical, the actual weight was 36-37 tons, which is like 4 tons less than in-game. Among with that, the engine was an aircraft engine which originally had 800hp; it was just detuned to 550 when mounted on the Chi-Ri. A variant with different detuning could be added as a new top engine, making the Chi-Ri significantly more mobile. That, small top speed buff, single gun option and modifying the penetration values a bit could make the tank actually fairly competitive.






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