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MyGuardianIsTheReaper #1 Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:02 PM

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So I have been thinking about all those people complaining about the 268V4. Many (basicly all of them) have been aking for a nerf. I think just nerfing an aspect of the tank isn't going to cut it. It's either not going to be enough or way over the top. So I was thinking: "Why not just throw my ideas in aswell, can't be worse than the stuff the balancing department comes up with, right?"

And while I am at it I guess I'll just talk a bit about 263 and 101 aswell.

 

Lets talk about the TierX first

 

From all I could gather players are mostly annoyed about these facts:

  • Crazy armor with next to no weakspots
  • Too good mobility for its armor
  • the fact that it dishes out 650 alpha rather reliable due to high standart an prem pen, while only taking a few hits in return(mostly HE/HESH)
  • thats about it, cause the rest about the tank is pretty shitty

 

So I came up with those changes:

 

Nerf:

  1. Alpha : 650 -> 560
  2. Pen    : 293/360 -> 270/340
  3. Speed: 50/-18 -> 45/-15
  4. Upper Front Plate   : 100 -> 90                  effective :  250 -> 225 (still ricochet due to angle)
  5. Mid Front Plate       : 300 -> 270                                 345 -> 305  
  6. Lower Front Plate   : 100 -> 80                                   245 -> 195 (still ricochet due to angle)
  7. Superstructure        : 260 (front) -> 250                      320 -> 305
  8. HP     : 2000 -> 1950

 

Now I know that many people dont want to hear this, but all these changes would also mean that there are some buffs needed.

 

Buffs:

  1. DPM: 2392.44 -> 2500
  2. ACC: 0.40 -> 0.38
  3. Aimtime: 2.40 -> 2.1
  4. HP/T: 18 -> 20
  5. Tankt raverse: 22.94 -> 26-30 (not quite shure yet)
  6. Gun traverse range: 12/-12 -> 13/-13
  7. Side armor: 80 -> 90
  8. View range: 370 -> 380

 

Like this all the issues are adressed, it's pennalbe/fightable, while at the same time it's more enjoyable to play.

 

With the Obj 263 (another statistically rather strong TD) and the Su-101 I took similar approaches.

 

263: Buff: DPM to 2350                                                     Nerf: Penetration to 258/340 (prem pen becomes higher)

                 ACC to 0.39                                                              Speed to 48/-17

                 Traverse to 28                                                           Mid bar on superstructure to 240                                              

                 LFP to 175 -> ~208 effective                                     HP to 1750

                 View range to 370

 

Now the Issue with the Su-101 is that it is (at least at the moment) one of the statistically strongest TierVIII TDs. Maybe because of the recent "Top of the tree" or because only decent players bother with it. (Or maby it is actually good even though it is only slightly better than the Su-100M1) So please take these ideas whith an even bigger grain of salt than the previous ones.

 

Su-101: Buff: DPM to 2250                                                    Nerf: Pen to 248/315

                      ACC to 0.38                                                              Speed to 50/-18

                      Aimtime to 2.3                                                           LFP to 110

                      Gun depression to -4 (except over drivers hatch)                          Side armor to 70

                      UFP to 140

                      Superstructure (front) to 160

                      HP to 1200-1300 (not sure yet)

                      View range to 370

 

Now that you have made it all the way threw this I'd like to ask you for your opinon on this.

 

P.s. Pls don't bash me to hard for this, if you don't like it. It's my first topic so I don't even know wether I posted it at the right spot :P

                               

              



bgjudge #2 Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:07 PM

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I dont want to be mean...but invest ur time in learning the game(cause 48% is not good*) and let WG to balance the tanks.

Artick_ #3 Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:08 PM

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Yout waste your time there.

 

268 is good as it is now.

 

If they aprove ( Not 0.1% chance) what you said on 268 , obj263 tier IX will be much better.

263 has curently as weakspot only lowplate , and people dont complain it idk why.

 

 

263 UFP is 400mm thick

268v4 UFP is ~310mm thick

 

268v4 should have bigger LLP , and thicker UFP. 

 

Penetration on TDS should be the highest among the tanks .

 

#Rest of the tanks , i dont care , cuz tier VIII is bad



MyGuardianIsTheReaper #4 Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:18 PM

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View Postbgjudge, on 13 June 2018 - 07:07 PM, said:

I dont want to be mean...but invest ur time in learning the game(cause 48% is not good*) and let WG to balance the tanks.

 

I personally blame the british havys for my stats, rather than me not being able to learn...but yours works just as fine I guess.

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View PostArtick_, on 13 June 2018 - 07:08 PM, said:

Yout waste your time there.

 

268 is good as it is now.

 

If they aprove ( Not 0.1% chance) what you said on 268 , obj263 tier IX will be much better.

263 has curently as weakspot only lowplate , and people dont complain it idk why.

 

 

263 UFP is 400mm thick

268v4 UFP is ~310mm thick

 

268v4 should have bigger LLP , and thicker UFP. 

 

Penetration on TDS should be the highest among the tanks .

 

#Rest of the tanks , i dont care , cuz tier VIII is bad

 

Its not like its not true what you are saying, BUT if u shoot the the lowerplate and think its the easiest pen, you are wrong. The entire top of the tank is an overmatch for any 91mm+ sized gun. There are also only a hand full of TVII tanks that cant pen 208mm reliable. Besides, if you are playing this tank straight forwards, while showing everyone your giant "please shoot me here"-plate, you are probably doing something wrong (even though I doubt I have to tell you that)

The issue with the 268V4 is that if you make the upperplate thicker, you'll effectively take away a weakspot, if you make the LLP any larger (without increasing its armor) you'll make the tank useless.

They SHOULD have the highest pen, but then again we do have tanks like the Badger, the Foch B (with only 257mm of pen) and even the old Waffel could only stack 276mm of pen. In lower tiers we also have tanks like the HTC or the E25.

Besides, I am not wasting my time. I didn't do it coz I thought they'd take my ideas, I did it because its fun to do :P


Edited by MyGuardianIsTheReaper, 13 June 2018 - 07:44 PM.


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You DO know that they nerfed it (the v4) today don't you?

Edited by WoT_RU_Doing, 13 June 2018 - 07:51 PM.


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View PostMyGuardianIsTheReaper, on 13 June 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

*bla*      

 

The only thing it needs is a lot of nerfs in every category. It already snapshots like a boss, is way too fast and agile. It should be more in line with all the other "assault TDs". It can keep the gun and armor but it has to lose a lot of it's speed and agility. 

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View PostWoT_RU_Doing, on 13 June 2018 - 07:50 PM, said:

You DO know that they nerfed it (the v4) today don't you?

 

Hardly enough. It will still be 5% higher in winrate than the rest of the pack.

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View PostMyGuardianIsTheReaper, on 13 June 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

 

Its not like its not true what you are saying, BUT if u shoot the the lowerplate and think its the easiest pen, you are wrong. The entire top of the tank is an overmatch for any 91mm+ sized gun. There are also only a hand full of TVII tanks that cant pen 208mm reliable. Besides, if you are playing this tank straight forwards, while showing everyone your giant "please shoot me here"-plate, you are probably doing something wrong (even though I doubt I have to tell you that)

The issue with the 268V4 is that if you make the upperplate thicker, you'll effectively take away a weakspot, if you make the LLP any larger (without increasing its armor) you'll make the tank useless.

They SHOULD have the highest pen, but then again we do have tanks like the Badger, the Foch B (with only 257mm of pen) and even the old Waffel could only stack 276mm of pen. In lower tiers we also have tanks like the HTC or the E25.

Besides, I am not wasting my time. I didn't do it coz I thought they'd take my ideas, I did it because its fun to do :P

 

But non of them have a combination if speed, agility, good gun handling, okish camo strong gun and armor. 

f.e.

FV4005 has one of the biggest guns in the game but can barely hit the broadside of a barn from the inside, no camo, no armor and okish speed. 

FV217 has a gund with ok dpm, goodish armor, gun with good dispersion?, armor you can call armor but is slow AF. 

Bobject has best stats in every category. 

 



LordMuffin #10 Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:10 AM

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I think this change would be the best.

Roll back the tree remake (from T7-T10) get the obj 263 back at T10.
Buff the T9 a bit. And done.

(This includes removing of the most OP tank in the game).

Edited by LordMuffin, 14 June 2018 - 08:10 AM.


Hamsterkicker #11 Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:16 AM

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Just remove object 268 vs 4, give us back the old object 263. buff old tier 9 su-122-54. simple as that.

Simeon85 #12 Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:09 AM

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Put the 263 back at tier 10, put the 268v4 on tier 9 with it's historical armour. 

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View Postbgjudge, on 13 June 2018 - 07:07 PM, said:

I dont want to be mean...but invest ur time in learning the game(cause 48% is not good*) and let WG to balance the tanks.

 

And they're undoubtedly good at it, as we can once again clearly see from this patch.

Cuck0osNest #14 Posted 14 June 2018 - 11:40 AM

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I think is too late , kids have conquered WG's balance departament, and all serious developers left team.

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View PostCuck0osNest, on 14 June 2018 - 11:40 AM, said:

I think is too late , kids have conquered WG's balance departament, and all serious developers left team.

 

Age have nothing to do with expertise. You can be old an still stupid and belive in socialist ideology, EU ftw. 

Serb and Strom where not perfect developers, but I think whne they use to balance Wot better, it was better game then its now. 

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View Postares354, on 14 June 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

 

Age have nothing to do with expertise. You can be old an still stupid and belive in socialist ideology, EU ftw. 

Serb and Strom where not perfect developers, but I think whne they use to balance Wot better, it was better game then its now. 

 

Burkatovski was meantioning most player's lacking ability to flank armored tanks in hes answers. But then premium rounds was named SerB's gold for some reason. Double standarts...ye, but still i think he would be ashamed of nowadays "3rd and 4th waves of overpowerness".

Edited by Cuck0osNest, 14 June 2018 - 01:46 PM.


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View PostCuck0osNest, on 14 June 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

 

Burkatovski was meantioning most player's lacking ability to flank armored tanks in hes answers. But then premium rounds was named SerB's gold for some reason. Double standarts...ye, but still i think he would be ashamed of nowadays "3rd and 4th waves of overpowerness".

 

 

You cant flank if the maps are  to small for 15 vs 15, and if half the maps are corridors.



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View Postares354, on 14 June 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

 

Age have nothing to do with expertise. You can be old an still stupid and belive in socialist ideology, EU ftw. 

Serb and Strom where not perfect developers, but I think whne they use to balance Wot better, it was better game then its now. 

 

Actually the ones who believe in the socialist ideology are proven to be smarter and better educated than the ones who don't.

Edited by pecopad, 14 June 2018 - 02:46 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 14 June 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

 

Actually the ones who believe in the socialist ideology are proven to be smarter and better educated than the ones who don't.

 

And you have this info from where? Free market is way better then over exaggerate taxation, and social benefits that are very common in EU today. But this is off topic. 

Point is simple, young age doesn't mean someone is stupid, or old age that someone is smart. Age have nothing to do with many thing. What WG dev doing have nothing common with age, but with someone stupid vision.

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View Postares354, on 14 June 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

 

And you have this info from where? Free market is way better then over exaggerate taxation, and social benefits that are very common in EU today. But this is off topic. 

Point is simple, young age doesn't mean someone is stupid, or old age that someone is smart. Age have nothing to do with many thing. What WG dev doing have nothing common with age, but with someone stupid vision.

 

Don't be mad just because I have pointed out that the chance of you having less education, earning much less, and being stupider by any definition is higher than to someone who believes in socialism.

 

Its what any demographic study about any elections says. Socialists/Liberals/Progressives voters have higher levels of income, education,life expectancy when comparing to Conservatives/Republicans.

 

Its in the data.... Not only, I actually think it makes sense, you have to be quite stupid to be living on welfare and being against a more socialist society, like many of the conservatives do.


Edited by pecopad, 14 June 2018 - 03:26 PM.






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