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lolman33 #1 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:20 PM

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Is the WOT financial reward system slightly broken

 

I just had a game in my T28 TD and was amazed that I lost money and should this be looked at as again pushing players to get Premium account?  Do people think that it is right and what could be done to improve this?

 

I am by no means a good player and this to me is a good game yet I still lost money... WG please fix.

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JocMeister #2 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:23 PM

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View Postlolman33, on 13 June 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

Is the WOT financial reward system slightly broken

 

I just had a game in my T28 TD and was amazed that I lost money and should this be looked at as again pushing players to get Premium account?  Do people think that it is right and what could be done to improve this?

 

I am by no means a good player and this to me is a good game yet I still lost money... WG please fix.

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If you want to be F2P with your skill level you need to play lower tiers to fund higher tier games. It working as intended.

hasnainrakha57 #3 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:27 PM

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ya the profit system for t8+ is rly rekt! i hate it credits are always red!!

Dorander #4 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:29 PM

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The consensus here is that yes, higher tiers are a lot more expensive to motivate people to buy premium accounts or premium tanks to grind credits in. Depending on your skill level the tipping point lies between tier 6-8 for most people.

 

And no I don't have a problem with that (especially considering tier 10 is bloody broken atm anyway), 10 euros gets you a premium account for a month, and if you really don't want to fork over any cash there's servers running nearly 24/7, 8 nations of which 4 nations have 6+ different tanklines, all for your free to play pleasure.



lolman33 #5 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:34 PM

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View PostJocMeister, on 13 June 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

 

If you want to be F2P with your skill level you need to play lower tiers to fund higher tier games. It working as intended.

How do you mean working as intended? 

4 kills

1600 damage 

steel wall and BIA yet still lost money.

What logic would suggest that its not pushing for prem account? 



DaniulSims #6 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:39 PM

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View Postlolman33, on 13 June 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:

How do you mean working as intended? 

4 kills

1600 damage 

steel wall and BIA yet still lost money.

What logic would suggest that its not pushing for prem account? 

 

Nobody ever said pushing for premium account is not the point of all of this.

 

It is, and truthfully you better be grateful it's only that in a F2P game of this scale-



JocMeister #7 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:40 PM

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View Postlolman33, on 13 June 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:

How do you mean working as intended? 

4 kills

1600 damage 

steel wall and BIA yet still lost money.

What logic would suggest that its not pushing for prem account? 

 

1600 damage in a T8 isn´t anything special.

 

If you don´t want to pay for premium account then you fund your higher tier games with lower tier ones. Its working as intended. Obviously WG wants people to pay for premium account? I don´t understand why this is confusing you? 



Sfinski #8 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:41 PM

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View Postlolman33, on 13 June 2018 - 09:34 PM, said:

How do you mean working as intended? 

4 kills

1600 damage 

steel wall and BIA yet still lost money.

What logic would suggest that its not pushing for prem account? 

 

That's not really anything spectacular. A bit on the low side actually, and you shot lower tier targets and missed a lot of shots.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #9 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:42 PM

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You really didn't do that much damage and damage is what gets you your credits. As a F2P you need to have a "good" game to break even and a very good game to start making a meaningful profit. One more hit and about 2000 damage and would have likely hit your break even point.



djciolos5 #10 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:42 PM

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To the original poster:

You shoted 13 times and did damge 6 times;

As a TD you, most of the times share experience from damage with the spoters.

 

I'mnot saying it's ok but it's in thelogic of how WG panned this game to be.

I can only observe that....would you have used a repair.kit your loss would have been greater



Warzey #11 Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:56 PM

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There are 2 main reason why +T8 is unprofitable:

  1. there's an incentive for players to buy premium tank/account so they don't have to "waste time" grinding credits in lower tier.
  2. in order to keep all tiers populated. If an average F2P player could earn credits in higher tier, mid and low tiers would lose massive amount of players which in term would create problems for MM. 


eldrak #12 Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:00 PM

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You only shot lower tiered tanks, you only hit 6 out of 13, your tank took damage.

Doesn't seem like a good game. Makes sense that you didn't gain anything.



Enforcer1975 #13 Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:15 PM

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View Postlolman33, on 13 June 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:

How do you mean working as intended? 

4 kills

1600 damage 

steel wall and BIA yet still lost money.

What logic would suggest that its not pushing for prem account? 

 

1600 damage which was half your shots. You basically wasted money on half the shots you have taken and you only killed lower tier targets. It all sums up. 

Homer_J #14 Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:26 PM

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View Postlolman33, on 13 June 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

Is the WOT financial reward system slightly broken

 

I just had a game in my T28 TD and was amazed that I lost money and should this be looked at as again pushing players to get Premium account?  Do people think that it is right and what could be done to improve this?

 

I am by no means a good player and this to me is a good game yet I still lost money... WG please fix.

 

Ammo costs money, doing damage gets credits.  You used ammo without doing damage, that's why you made a loss.

 

The economics of the game are designed so you can't play high tiers exclusively anyway, if you play as bad as you then even more so.


Edited by Homer_J, 13 June 2018 - 09:27 PM.


Pvt_Duffer #15 Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:29 PM

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A replay would be better than two screen shots that miss the crucial one that shows how well you did in the context of your team.

 

You did quite well in the context of your tank (2nd class mastery), but you certainly threw away a bunch of credits with your 6:13 penetration ratio.

Plus you probably lost a bit on the 350 done over 300 meters likely sharing it with a friendly spotter.

 

More information would be available in a replay and from the "team Score" screen.

 

Never-mind the fact that a Free2Play game does not mean a free ride to the biggest and highest tier tanks in the game.

It's called a pay wall, and means that for every game you play at T8 at that level you need to play one in a T5/6 to balance your credits.

Or pay money, note you'd have a made a very tiny profit if you'd had a premium account, or you could play a T8 premium tank which might fund your T28 grind for four or five games at that level of loss.

 

There aint no such thing as a free lunch

 



Balc0ra #16 Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:30 PM

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View Postlolman33, on 13 June 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:

How do you mean working as intended? 

4 kills

1600 damage 

steel wall and BIA yet still lost money.

What logic would suggest that its not pushing for prem account? 

 

You barely did over your own HP in damage and you expect to be vastly rewarded? That and it's not how much damage you do. It's how you do it. If you did most of that damage on others spotting, vs your own. You lost half the credits and xp pr damage point to the spotter. That and 13 shots fired, and only 6 did damage. As you don't get a profit or a shot that doesn't do anything. So that's credits lost too.

 

Hit more, do more damage on your own spotting, do more damage in general and you will see a profit. 

 

It's done this way for a reason. Not just to get you to buy a premium account. As I have a few friends that play 100% for free and never bought anything, and still can afford to maintain and buy more then one tier X. But rather for population control. If you all made easy silver on tier 8+ for barely doing your part. No one would play lower tiers that often. And it would be like any end game MMO. Where 90% of the server is in the end game area. As that's where the profits are. Not lower down. 

 

View Posthasnainrakha57, on 13 June 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

ya the profit system for t8+ is rly rekt! i hate it credits are always red!!

 

Considering your topics of late. I'm rather impressed you are still playing. 

Edited by Balc0ra, 13 June 2018 - 09:31 PM.


Hedgehog1963 #17 Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:37 PM

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View Postlolman33, on 13 June 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

How do you mean working as intended? 

4 kills

1600 damage 

steel wall and BIA yet still lost money.

What logic would suggest that its not pushing for prem account? 

 

Because people who do a lot of damage (which is more than you managed) would make a profit.  Your performance was middlin'.

 

Yes - to be perfectly clear - they ideally want you to

 

  • Buy premium time; or
  • Play lots and lots of "profitable" battles at lower tiers to pay for the higher tier battles where you will lose credits:  or
  • Buy a premium tank or two for the same purpose.

 

That is how WG make money and that is how and why this game exists.

 

I buy premium time yearly when it is on 15% discount.  Works out at €0.25 a day.  As I play no better than you it makes life easy.  Also I play the ships which is also covered.  I think it is superb value entertainment.


Edited by Hedgehog1963, 13 June 2018 - 09:54 PM.


arthurwellsley #18 Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:38 PM

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Hit and penetrate more and you get more silver.

The system is pushing you to play better.

 

Here are my last two pub match battles. Both tier X. Both 25k silver profit.

First is 19 shots, 17 hits, 15 penetrations

http://wotreplays.eu...ley-e_50_ausf_m

Second is 11 shots fired, 11 hits, 8 penetrations

http://wotreplays.eu...ley-e_50_ausf_m

 

If you cannot make a silver profit in tier VIII then play tiers VI and VII to run up a profit, and then play tier VIII if you want by losing silver.

Or if you really feel the need to play higher tiers get premium or a premium tank credit earner. But it's F2P, and if you do not wish to spend money then you need to grind at lower tiers to pay for gameplay at higher tiers.


Edited by arthurwellsley, 13 June 2018 - 09:39 PM.


lolman33 #19 Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:47 PM

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I suppose I am being whiny if you look at it that way. just fed up of the Russian bias and the cupola abuse not even mentioning the abysmal steam roll on way or another type mm I've been plagued with all day 

breeeze #20 Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:56 PM

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Working as intended. A good player will (without gold ammo use) make money at tier 8, break even at tier 9 and lose credits at tier 10 with a standard account. Worse players start losing money at lower tiers already.




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