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MeNoobTank #1 Posted 14 June 2018 - 07:11 PM

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Is there any tech tree that has grades of historically accuracy on each tank ? I remember seeing one for the japanese tech tree somewhere on forum but I am not sure where. I was amased about some tanks that where actually produced and by some that where fully in WG's imagination and not even in paper plans.

 

E.g:  Full production vehicle -> Limited production -> One produced prototype -> blueprints/paper vehicle -> magic unicorn vehicle

 

I am really curious about the Soviet tech tree. I know that most of the Obj tanks are either prototypes or paper designs.


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Sovjet medium tanks. Via T-54 to T-62a

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'murican medium line apart from prewar experiments and t20 were either in production or upgrades to tanks in production
German td's going through ferdinand apart from the tier 10 are also all in production and saw action.

 

Im not sure if there is a line that is fully made out of tanks that were in production, but i do know that the chinese td line is furthest thing from a line like that.



leggasiini #4 Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:50 PM

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I am pretty sure that this chart is what you are looking for:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dqAWQ1dK3NnbGJbUvIYEZUF9xyLoI_QUvvgPAc7kpKw/edit?usp=sharing

 

^ there you go :)

 

The only issue is that it's not exactly up on date, and quite a few tanks are missing. The guy who made this is no longer playing, so last time he updated it was around a year ago or so.

 

Some of the recent Soviet tanks not included on the list that might interest you:

 

  • Object 430U: wooden mockup produced, prototype never built
  • Object 257: blueprints only
  • IS-M: never went any further than some early drawings and sketches, didn't even reach the blueprint stage
  • Object 705: blueprints only
  • Object 705A: blueprints only
  • Object 277: two functional prototypes produced
  • K-91: blueprints only
  • Object 726 (supertest atm): wooden mockup produced, prototype never built

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MeNoobTank #5 Posted 14 June 2018 - 10:45 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 14 June 2018 - 09:50 PM, said:

I am pretty sure that this chart is what you are looking for:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dqAWQ1dK3NnbGJbUvIYEZUF9xyLoI_QUvvgPAc7kpKw/edit?usp=sharing

 

^ there you go :)

 

The only issue is that it's not exactly up on date, and quite a few tanks are missing. The guy who made this is no longer playing, so last time he updated it was around a year ago or so.

 

Some of the recent Soviet tanks not included on the list that might interest you:

 

  • Object 430U: wooden mockup produced, prototype never built
  • Object 257: blueprints only
  • IS-M: never went any further than some early drawings and sketches, didn't even reach the blueprint stage
  • Object 705: blueprints only
  • Object 705A: blueprints only
  • Object 277: two functional prototypes produced
  • K-91: blueprints only
  • Object 726 (supertest atm): wooden mockup produced, prototype never built

 

OMG ! YES ! this was what I was looking for . Thank you very much ! :great:

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100% historically accurate picture. :trollface:



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It is quite historical 



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And Chi-Ri was a heavy tank, seen a video about japanese tanks in ww2 some years ago

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Doesn't the ingame info text for each tank often contain that info still?

 

Some of them were not correct though last I checked.



MeNoobTank #10 Posted 15 June 2018 - 07:42 AM

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View Posteldrak, on 15 June 2018 - 07:36 AM, said:

Doesn't the ingame info text for each tank often contain that info still?

 

Some of them were not correct though last I checked.

 

yeah...let's check the ingame info from Mauerbracher ... 100% true story, confirmed by Stalin himself !

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View PostFlavortown, on 15 June 2018 - 04:47 AM, said:

It is quite historical 

 

Looks legit, dunno how germans captured a japanese superheavy with stugs tho. :trollface:

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View Postetody77, on 15 June 2018 - 06:10 AM, said:

And Chi-Ri was a heavy tank, seen a video about japanese tanks in ww2 some years ago

:facepalm:

The entire ffing name "Chi-Ri" says its a medium tank.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 15 June 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

:facepalm:

The entire ffing name "Chi-Ri" says its a medium tank.

 

It was projected and used as heavy tank,

Btw, no sign of O-I's found by me :)



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View Postetody77, on 15 June 2018 - 06:10 AM, said:

And Chi-Ri was a heavy tank, seen a video about japanese tanks in ww2 some years ago

 

its a medium, and a prototype existed. it was captured and taken to America...

 

the Chi-Nu was built and used, and the chi-to did too. however very few were ever made

 

id say that line is about as "Historically accurate" as you can get.. however that's largely moot, with resurrecting crew, hitpoints and tanks fighting things they'd never have faced :P



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View Postetody77, on 15 June 2018 - 06:55 PM, said:

 

It was projected and used as heavy tank,

 

It was initially mistaken as a heavy tank by Americans, but the real classification was medium tank.

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classified by americans as heavy because his mass

https://www.youtube....h?v=826qJ62nIGc

I hope no clicker will see this video


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Italian tanks, I'd like to see Celere Sahariano in game, and that TD line

https://www.youtube....h?v=YqCIyQjB-Zg



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View Postetody77, on 15 June 2018 - 06:52 PM, said:

classified by americans as heavy because his mass

https://www.youtube....h?v=826qJ62nIGc

I hope no clicker will see this video

Then the murikans were [edited]that cannot understand the Japanese tank designation system.

And buy that measure, they would've classified the Panzerkampfwagen V Panther as a heavy too. Did they?



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 15 June 2018 - 09:34 PM, said:

Then the murikans were [edited]that cannot understand the Japanese tank designation system.

And buy that measure, they would've classified the Panzerkampfwagen V Panther as a heavy too. Did they?

The point is: they designated Chi-Ri as heavy tank

 



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View Postetody77, on 15 June 2018 - 11:44 PM, said:

The point is: they designated Chi-Ri as heavy tank

 

 

But that doesnt mean it was a heavy tank. Americans mistaked it for a heavy tank after capturing the only found prototype, considering its large size and weight, which admitely are heavy tank levels, and as its armor and armament were unknown for them. They expected strong armor and a 88mm to be mounted on it (which where the 88mm rumors come from. The Chi-Ri didnt have a gun mounted on during its capture and thus the real gun was unknown for Americans). Because of that, they expected it to be a comparable vehicle to the Tiger I. Not just that, there was a dinstinct lack of Japanese heavy tanks made, let alone used in combat. The only heavies made by them were some pre-WW2 heavies and two super-heavy prototypes (the incomplete prototype of the O-I, and another, unnamed 100 ton super-heavy tank). None of them were ever seen by Americans during WW2, so Japan designing a heavy tank seemed very logical for them.

 

Japan designated it as a medium tank and the original classification made by nation itself is what is most relevant. You should not rely on one random, inaccurate Youtube video for your information.

 

So to put it short, Americans simply thought it was a heavy tank, but it was actually designated as a medium tank by Japanese. If its designated as a medium tank by its original country, then its a medium tank. Hopefully that clears it. 







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