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Search_Warrant #1 Posted 18 June 2018 - 01:23 PM

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175pen, 5 day aimtime, tier 1 DPM and they even have the balls to remove 20 alpha from it yet its a 90mm! IT HAS 900 HP!

 

But WHY? why does lorrain40t get 232AP 300 alpha autoloader with mobility? a crap ton more hitpoints?

 

Progetto with its 212AP good gun handling 240 alpha x 3 reloader, again tons more HP and its still mobile.

 

I want to know WG's process in how they balance tier 8 LT's. what makes them think giving them 175pen and bad gun stats with literally 2 shots of HP for high tiers is remotely balanced? what happened to the "great LT rebalance" you promised? all i see is gimped tier 10 mediums classed as "light tanks" you wanted so you can try milk peoples wallets.

 

you buffed Spershings pen to 190 because it sucked, you even started making other mediums get higher pen and now you release constant mediums above 200pen becuase you KNOW anything less is useless. so why the hell are you giving LT's 175pen? that not enough to go threw weak spots nowadays thanks to tanks like VKP and Defender (and thats just tier 8!).

 

I unloaded a full GOLD clip into the rear of a Maus and only 1 of the 3 penned him. thats a WEAK SPOT? get your act together WG. tier 8 LT's are nothing but free food for tanks within there own tier let alone monster mediums/heavies in tier 9-10. dont even get me started on TD's. they can 1 shot you because your HP is around 1k...for a tank that has to spot/take risks for the team you sure dont get allot of hitpoints for the role.

 

You wonder why you see LT's sniping at the back and teams getting annoyed? becuase they have no hitpoints and no armor, but there guns cant snipe becuase they suck with pen/gun handling. WG gimped them on both rolls. they cant snipe and they cant brawl. so what the hell are they supposed to do on Himmelsdorf?

 

Open maps? who cares! mediums have more viewrange than light tanks now. heck, heavy tanks like VKP has 400 BASE viewrange on tier 8! my EVEN90 only has 380! WHAT THE HELL?

 

I demand LT's get buffed to medium tank levels of pen/gun handling/HP if you wont give them the ability to have a role in the game, making them at least comparable to mediums is a step forward.

 

/Vent /Rant /ect


Edited by Search_Warrant, 18 June 2018 - 01:24 PM.


Cobra6 #2 Posted 18 June 2018 - 01:32 PM

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For some point of view I can understand WG's reasoning, they gave it less DPM because they were afraid it might become as powerful as the 13 57, which is kind of understandable.

However, we've arrived now at the point where it's clear the EVEN90 is not powerful, heck it's not even properly competitive as a package and we can safely start upping the DPM to competitive levels (between 1800 and 2000 base for tier 8).

 

Also, the gun handling can be improved by quite a margin because it's atrocious, certainly for the DPM and the alpha you have.

 

The camp is nice for sure but there are only 2-3 maps in the game on which you can properly use it and then you still have to hope you don't land in a tier 10 battle where the average medium has better spotting range than you do.

 

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Search_Warrant #3 Posted 18 June 2018 - 01:36 PM

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Understandable with the DPM. but the HP/t of the EVEN90 is so bad if you stop/hit a pebble you are dead meat thanks to how poor the acceleration is.  its small and the top speeds good. but the acceleration and keeping any speed is really hard. thats only 1 of the major problems i see with the tank. and then they gimped the gun to trash levels for no good reason. lower the DPM sure. hell keep it the same. but i want pen and gun handling to optimally USE that trash DPM.

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 18 June 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

175pen, 5 day aimtime, tier 1 DPM and they even have the balls to remove 20 alpha from it yet its a 90mm! IT HAS 900 HP!

 

But WHY? why does lorrain40t get 232AP 300 alpha autoloader with mobility? a crap ton more hitpoints?

 

Progetto with its 212AP good gun handling 240 alpha x 3 reloader, again tons more HP and its still mobile.

 

I want to know WG's process in how they balance tier 8 LT's. what makes them think giving them 175pen and bad gun stats with literally 2 shots of HP for high tiers is remotely balanced? what happened to the "great LT rebalance" you promised? all i see is gimped tier 10 mediums classed as "light tanks" you wanted so you can try milk peoples wallets.

 

you buffed Spershings pen to 190 because it sucked, you even started making other mediums get higher pen and now you release constant mediums above 200pen becuase you KNOW anything less is useless. so why the hell are you giving LT's 175pen? that not enough to go threw weak spots nowadays thanks to tanks like VKP and Defender (and thats just tier 8!).

 

I unloaded a full GOLD clip into the rear of a Maus and only 1 of the 3 penned him. thats a WEAK SPOT? get your act together WG. tier 8 LT's are nothing but free food for tanks within there own tier let alone monster mediums/heavies in tier 9-10. dont even get me started on TD's. they can 1 shot you because your HP is around 1k...for a tank that has to spot/take risks for the team you sure dont get allot of hitpoints for the role.

 

You wonder why you see LT's sniping at the back and teams getting annoyed? becuase they have no hitpoints and no armor, but there guns cant snipe becuase they suck with pen/gun handling. WG gimped them on both rolls. they cant snipe and they cant brawl. so what the hell are they supposed to do on Himmelsdorf?

 

Open maps? who cares! mediums have more viewrange than light tanks now. heck, heavy tanks like VKP has 400 BASE viewrange on tier 8! my EVEN90 only has 380! WHAT THE HELL?

 

I demand LT's get buffed to medium tank levels of pen/gun handling/HP if you wont give them the ability to have a role in the game, making them at least comparable to mediums is a step forward.

 

/Vent /Rant /ect

 

Do you even look at the size of that tank ? It smaller than pz1c. How  did they fit a 90mm autoloader in it only Stallin know. That tank shouldnt be in this game. And you are complaining?

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Again, make up your mind. Must every new premium be the new 'best' or should tanks be balanced?

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Bulldog, 170 damage, 175mm pen (215mm premium pen),

T92, 150 damage, 175mm pen (215mm premium pen),

WZ-132, 240 damage, 189mm pen, and not even 400m viewrange,

in a constant bottom tier scenario, because tier 8 MM.

Tier 8 lights suck.


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Sure, even 90 has 20m less view range than VK HT.

But it can get 150-200m closer to the enemy without getting spotted...

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tbh if the EVEN had 4 shots in the clip instead of 3 it probably would be one of my most played tanks it's lack of dpm kills it for me.

 



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View PostDracheimFlug, on 18 June 2018 - 01:40 PM, said:

Again, make up your mind. Must every new premium be the new 'best' or should tanks be balanced?

 

Nope, but that didn't stop WG from buffing T-54 mod 1 like five times :)

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In general wg has done real bad with lights. First their gamo/viewrange is too poor in general. Second gun handling is rather poor and third guns are stupid.

In general light guns have too good alfa, but bad dpm, pen and accuracy. T92 is how lights should be. Fast, good gamo/wr, small alfa, ok dpm, good gunhandling, poor pen and bad heat.



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I saw the Even 90 Johnny 5 thing when it was released but I stayed strong and got rewarded with the 13 57 coming back on sale... I feel the only reason the Even 90 exists is to trick people who couldn't wait for the real OP LT :trollface:

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 18 June 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

175pen, 5 day aimtime, tier 1 DPM and they even have the balls to remove 20 alpha from it yet its a 90mm! IT HAS 900 HP!

 

But WHY? why does lorrain40t get 232AP 300 alpha autoloader with mobility? a crap ton more hitpoints?

 

Progetto with its 212AP good gun handling 240 alpha x 3 reloader, again tons more HP and its still mobile.

 

I want to know WG's process in how they balance tier 8 LT's. what makes them think giving them 175pen and bad gun stats with literally 2 shots of HP for high tiers is remotely balanced? what happened to the "great LT rebalance" you promised? all i see is gimped tier 10 mediums classed as "light tanks" you wanted so you can try milk peoples wallets.

 

you buffed Spershings pen to 190 because it sucked, you even started making other mediums get higher pen and now you release constant mediums above 200pen becuase you KNOW anything less is useless. so why the hell are you giving LT's 175pen? that not enough to go threw weak spots nowadays thanks to tanks like VKP and Defender (and thats just tier 8!).

 

I unloaded a full GOLD clip into the rear of a Maus and only 1 of the 3 penned him. thats a WEAK SPOT? get your act together WG. tier 8 LT's are nothing but free food for tanks within there own tier let alone monster mediums/heavies in tier 9-10. dont even get me started on TD's. they can 1 shot you because your HP is around 1k...for a tank that has to spot/take risks for the team you sure dont get allot of hitpoints for the role.

 

You wonder why you see LT's sniping at the back and teams getting annoyed? becuase they have no hitpoints and no armor, but there guns cant snipe becuase they suck with pen/gun handling. WG gimped them on both rolls. they cant snipe and they cant brawl. so what the hell are they supposed to do on Himmelsdorf?

 

Open maps? who cares! mediums have more viewrange than light tanks now. heck, heavy tanks like VKP has 400 BASE viewrange on tier 8! my EVEN90 only has 380! WHAT THE HELL?

 

I demand LT's get buffed to medium tank levels of pen/gun handling/HP if you wont give them the ability to have a role in the game, making them at least comparable to mediums is a step forward.

 

/Vent /Rant /ect

 

I put vents,optics and binocs on it and nearly never use the gun (unless cornered or something).

The spotting damage in some maps can be hilarious plus the fact that even if spoted u r so little , they seldom ever hit you.

And it goes without saying u r just fracked in Himmelsdorf and the like..



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View PostBaldrickk, on 18 June 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

Sure, even 90 has 20m less view range than VK HT.

But it can get 150-200m closer to the enemy without getting spotted...

 

People need to start realising this simple piece of logic!

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View PostArtick_, on 18 June 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

 

Do you even look at the size of that tank ? It smaller than pz1c. How  did they fit a 90mm autoloader in it only Stallin know. That tank shouldnt be in this game. And you are complaining?

 

You make it sound like its a fake and dident exist. well tough luck bud. its real.



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The way I see it, they should drop the viewranges of most heavies and MTs and ESPECIALLY TDs, so that they are reliant on LTs.

I'm tired of VK100s and 110s taking my spot damage.



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View PostDerethim, on 18 June 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

The way I see it, they should drop the viewranges of most heavies and MTs and ESPECIALLY TDs, so that they are reliant on LTs.

I'm tired of VK100s and 110s taking my spot damage.

 

WG was gonna do this but then dident go threw with it becuase they was like "we dont want people blind if the LT dies" and so we have this scenario we have now. they was afraid of people relying too much on the LT's vision. but without this, LT's have no reason to exist.

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 18 June 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

 

Nope, but that didn't stop WG from buffing T-54 mod 1 like five times :)

I love my Mod 1, even if it's still only meh with the MM. It's 90% of the over priced T-44 100.

 

View Posttank276, on 18 June 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

 

I put vents,optics and binocs on it and nearly never use the gun (unless cornered or something).

The spotting damage in some maps can be hilarious plus the fact that even if spoted u r so little , they seldom ever hit you.

And it goes without saying u r just fracked in Himmelsdorf and the like..

 

The size of the Even 90 is funny $hit. When you go x25 to try and hit one when you're only about 200m away :teethhappy:



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View PostNegativvv, on 18 June 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

The size of the Even 90 is funny $hit. When you go x25 to try and hit one when you're only about 200m away :teethhappy:

 

Sadly i seem to get sniped on the move full speed by skorpionG's. zig zag? strafe? loop de loop? i get hit at 70kmh...

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 18 June 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

 

Nope, but that didn't stop WG from buffing T-54 mod 1 like five times :)

 

Doesn't change my point.

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View PostNegativvv, on 18 June 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

 

The size of the Even 90 is funny $hit. When you go x25 to try and hit one when you're only about 200m away :teethhappy:

 

I have the x... view range at 16 maximum I think, the x25 made it worse for my aim. Unless you only play strv 103 B or something..:trollface:




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