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Bulldog_Drummond #1 Posted 20 June 2018 - 07:17 PM

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I realise that most of the experts here will regard Tier 2 games as beneath contempt.

 

But I have been intrigued by the difference in win rate between my Pz2 and my Pz2D.  The latter was a gift tank a few years ago and was generally regarded as a free garage slot.  The Pz2D armour is poor, and the gun is rubbish, and yet over the course of hundreds of games in these two the Pz2, which is a good all-rounder, has a win rate of 58% and the Pz2D has 63%.  Maybe that little bit of extra speed makes the win difference?



xx984 #2 Posted 20 June 2018 - 08:27 PM

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Or perhaps you just got luckier with how the rest of your team preformed while playing the IID?

Aikl #3 Posted 20 June 2018 - 08:47 PM

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Maybe you're more careful with the 'D'. Pun intended.

 

Oh, on-topic... knowing your playstyle, speed is in your favour. Maybe you were more sober, though, or just got lucky - considering your KV-220 sits at just under 62%.



PervyPastryPuffer #4 Posted 20 June 2018 - 09:09 PM

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I know it's hella inappropriate as a joke, but...

 

The Pz. II D has something the Pz. II doesn't... and it uses that something for an increased chance of winning with a certain method...

 

Can you guess what I mean? Of course you can. :trollface:(hint in post above)



Orkbert #5 Posted 20 June 2018 - 09:15 PM

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Nah, it's just that with only 150 battles the win rate of your II D hasn't really settled yet, whereas your regular Pz.II  with 380 battles is much more consolidated.

 

Actually when looking at stuff like average damage caused per battle, average vehicles destroyed per battle, etc. you get better results with your Pz.II. That your Pz.II D has a better win rate despite performing worse in nearly all categories is regrettably an indicator that the currently better win rate is down to luck alone.



MeetriX #6 Posted 20 June 2018 - 09:45 PM

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II D is great. 100% WR and I also like to keep it that way.

lnfernaI #7 Posted 21 June 2018 - 04:59 AM

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no Grosstraktor

Bulldog_Drummond #8 Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:33 AM

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View PostOrkbert, on 20 June 2018 - 08:15 PM, said:

Nah, it's just that with only 150 battles the win rate of your II D hasn't really settled yet, whereas your regular Pz.II  with 380 battles is much more consolidated.

 

Actually when looking at stuff like average damage caused per battle, average vehicles destroyed per battle, etc. you get better results with your Pz.II. That your Pz.II D has a better win rate despite performing worse in nearly all categories is regrettably an indicator that the currently better win rate is down to luck alone.

 

It's true that the regular II does better on damage etc than the IID.  On the other hand, the extra speed seems to give the IID a greater ability to influence battles.

Sams_Baneblade #9 Posted 21 June 2018 - 01:19 PM

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The gun seems alright to me... Oh wait, that's actually my Pz II J-like shell loadout

Orkbert #10 Posted 21 June 2018 - 03:16 PM

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 21 June 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

 

 On the other hand, the extra speed seems to give the IID a greater ability to influence battles.

 

Then again due to lousy power/weight ratio of the II D it is kinda difficult to actually get meaningfully faster than the regular Pz.II. Beyond 30 km/h the II D accelerates very slowly (if at all) and combined with the size of the maps you will barely have enough time/space to get into gear before the enemy spots you.

 

And that is assuming flat terrain with good ground resistance. The slightest incline or less-than-ideal ground will completely destroy any chance of ever utilizing the theoretical speed advantage.

Heck, it was once on Mines where I couldn't even shake a Hotchkiss H35 while going uphill, and I had my best Scout crew in my II D and used 100 Octane fuel.

 

I admit the II D can go very fast downhill but they had to remove the old Province map in 2015 and now Mittengard is gone as well (not that this is really regrettable) so basically the nominal high speed of the Pz.II D is extremely situational.


Edited by Orkbert, 21 June 2018 - 07:36 PM.


lnfernaI #11 Posted 21 June 2018 - 03:50 PM

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View PostSams_Baneblade, on 21 June 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

The gun seems alright to me... Oh wait, that's actually my Pz II J-like shell loadout

 

useless tank.

Sams_Baneblade #12 Posted 21 June 2018 - 04:11 PM

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View PostlnfernaI, on 21 June 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

 

useless tank.

 

There is indeed little point into playing it compared to the PzII (and litterally none if you aren't running a full APCR loadout).

But I'd bring mine in Randoms over a Toldi III any day of the week.




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