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TungstenHitman #1 Posted 22 June 2018 - 02:19 PM

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Hi guys, 

 

So can someone enlighten me here. I am looking at this TD, I see a tier7 tank and I see 152mm derp gun that has 250 pen HEAT with 700 alpha(lol!) and a 86pen HE(very healthy for HE) with 910 alpha :teethhappy: I mean... DAMN! So it's obviously not how it seems since I don't see these tanks around much so, what's the catch? I kinda want one though!

 

 

 



NoobySkooby #2 Posted 22 June 2018 - 02:23 PM

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I have just elited this very TD, to be honest I think it' bigger brother get the rep with the top derp troll cannon, although this is quite capable of taking out a medium in one shot, I did a O NI in three, guess I got lucky there:popcorn:

 

I have been told, load the heat but I very much prefer the HE rounds, I mean who on earth does not love a big bang?



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Better and more fun than kv-2. The catch is making trades at the right time. Don't lose hp at the start. Shoot heat when you're almost sure you will pen. Shoot HE when it's not likely to pen (turrets or at 500m for example).

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The catch is how expensive it is to run with 152 HEAT.

Definitely worth it tho imo :trollface:



Dava_117 #5 Posted 22 June 2018 - 02:38 PM

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I loved it and should really buy it back. HE are there for hard target, AP for low armoured tanks or overmatch (like O-Ni sides lower part) and HEAT just for the LOLs. Really funny as first line assault gun, when top tier, or second line supporter in the other cases.

Forget about the 122mm gun. Using it is heresy and is punished with fire rain and bad RNG.



Comrade_Renamon #6 Posted 22 June 2018 - 02:39 PM

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That people get baited into using the 122mm cause it is the "top gun" on the tank.

The good points are the HEAT+Alpha+Camo rating, can go alright forwards, turns like a boat and not well armoured (unless you hit the mantlet). It is possibly less popular cause the KV-2 a tier lower can do similar, sure it does not have a HEAT round but has the same Alpha+ a turret.

It is a broken tank, just not as much as the Japanese heavies.



tank276 #7 Posted 22 June 2018 - 02:45 PM

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The catch is it used to be more impressive when it had the monster BL 10 gun.

When the gun was removed , I sold the tank and moved my 4 or 5 skill female crew elsewhere.

Maybe I overreacted though, the tank must still be pretty solid.

 

Edit Bad eyes, saw ISU instead of SU


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Try to avoid Challengers or Abrams tanks in it, or otherwise this might happen;



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 22 June 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

Better and more fun than kv-2. The catch is making trades at the right time. Don't lose hp at the start. Shoot heat when you're almost sure you will pen. Shoot HE when it's not likely to pen (turrets or at 500m for example).

 

or be a gold noob Dinger and have a chance at that lolpen from across the map !

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So, why it isn't popular? It is very strong when used right - I have the highest DPG of all tier 7s on it and by a quite good margin.

 

  1. In order to use it in it's full potential, you need to use HEAT quite a bit, which means that it's expensive to play.
  2. The tier 10 of the line is generally very unattractive, and the ISU's "nerf" did damage it's reputation so that the line isnt exactly popular these days.
  3. People probably play it with either derp + AP or with 122, which doesn't help with it's reputation either
  4. It's not exactly simple to play, because it has no armor and no turret, with a derpy gun. Because of this, plebs probably think that it's just mediocre.
  5. Tier 7 as whole is unpopular tier.
  6. Due to the points 1-5, an average pubbie probably doesnt even know it gets ridiculous HEAT shells, which results in even more people ignoring it.

 

It also is fairly easy to 3 mark if you sling HEAT with it, as the requirements are extremely low.

 

People just dont know about it, that's all. It's a hidden gem.

 

 



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If you like to play it with the 122, that's fine. However the su-122-44 is in that case just better. Lower dpm (stil really high) but better armor and mobility.

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 22 June 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

Try to avoid Challengers or Abrams tanks in it, or otherwise this might happen;

 

How did that happen? I guess an ammorack or that the kinetic energy of an APFSDS ripping off the casemate, but was it a real combat or a test?

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View PostDava_117, on 22 June 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

 

How did that happen? I guess an ammorack or that the kinetic energy of an APFSDS ripping off the casemate, but was it a real combat or a test?

I believe it's real. Gulf war, iraq. (No source)



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 22 June 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

I believe it's real. Gulf war, iraq. (No source)

 

I'm allways amazed when I see WW2 tanks used in more "modern" wars. Thank you. :)



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Was one of my most played tanks due to having a stupid gun at such a low tier. typical rasha bias tho. when you see tanks like M56 Scorpion with 1mm armor and 90mm pop gun with crap DPM. then this monster with a 152 derp with troll armor and a mantle that can eat tier 10 gold rounds at random....

TungstenHitman #16 Posted 22 June 2018 - 03:21 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 22 June 2018 - 01:46 PM, said:

Try to avoid Challengers or Abrams tanks in it, or otherwise this might happen;

 

To be fair, this was a museum piece from WW2 acting as a static target practice to modern heavily upgraded tanks backed by the words most biggest budget army not to mention the satellite tech intel working throughout the campaign along with absolute air control of skies. The U.S are pretty much pay to win wallet warriors lol! This tank? may have been killed by an SPG or Hellfire from an Apache chopper.. I don't see any obvious frontal penetration so I'm guessing was some overhead detonation from an anti tank missile such as the options mentioned. The smaller U.S. recon tanks(forget the name) carry two anti tank missiles which they used a lot during the Gulf wars to great effect though the bigger Abrams takes all the glory. Anyway, if this was taking on an Abrams it would be like a tier7 vs a tier15 or some laughably impossible mismatch. 

Hey this 152 sounds great! Is it like a tier7 Hetzer?
 

Lord_Edge #17 Posted 22 June 2018 - 03:25 PM

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 22 June 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

So can someone enlighten me here. I am looking at this TD, I see a tier7 tank and I see 152mm derp gun that has 250 pen HEAT with 700 alpha(lol!) and a 86pen HE(very healthy for HE) with 910 alpha :teethhappy: I mean... DAMN! So it's obviously not how it seems since I don't see these tanks around much so, what's the catch?

It has the same gun as the KV-2, without a turret, one tier higher.  It does have faster reload, and slightly better aim time/accuracy.  But generally speaking if you want to derp people with that gun then the KV-2 is the better platform and will meet tanks with (on average) less HP.



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View PostDava_117, on 22 June 2018 - 03:12 PM, said:

 

I'm allways amazed when I see WW2 tanks used in more "modern" wars. Thank you. :)

 

You might like to know then that during the early days of the Syrian civil war the most common rifle of the rebels was not the AK-47 as many western newspapers misreported, but actually the StG-44 due to the rebels coming across a couple of containers full of them that Assad (senior) had bought from East Germany.

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View PostLord_Edge, on 22 June 2018 - 03:25 PM, said:

It has the same gun as the KV-2, without a turret, one tier higher.  It does have faster reload, and slightly better aim time/accuracy.  But generally speaking if you want to derp people with that gun then the KV-2 is the better platform and will meet tanks with (on average) less HP.

 

That is exactly why SU-152 is fun to play. You don't meet tier 4 with 300-400HP that's almost a wasted shell. Afterall KV-2 is fun especially against tier 8, to have a good HP pool to farm.

In SU-152 you meet from tier 5 tanks, where AP are enought, to tier 9 paper med, where HE are juicy, passing for all the midway. 

 

View PostLord_Edge, on 22 June 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

 

You might like to know then that during the early days of the Syrian civil war the most common rifle of the rebels was not the AK-47 as many western newspapers misreported, but actually the StG-44 due to the rebels coming across a couple of containers full of them that Assad (senior) had bought from East Germany.

 

Didn't knew this! It's quite unexpected, but also understandable. IIRC AK-47 was based on reverse engineering on the STG-44! :)
 

TungstenHitman #20 Posted 22 June 2018 - 03:55 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 22 June 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

 

That is exactly why SU-152 is fun to play. You don't meet tier 4 with 300-400HP that's almost a wasted shell. Afterall KV-2 is fun especially against tier 8, to have a good HP pool to farm.

In SU-152 you meet from tier 5 tanks, where AP are enought, to tier 9 paper med, where HE are juicy, passing for all the midway. 

 

That's a great point actually. If you have a gun with almost 1000 alpha, you really want to be getting value for your shots and not goofing around with 300hp tier4 Mario Karts. Actually, there is nothing worse for a big alpha, slow ROF tank than some tank needing to be put down with only a tiny bit of hp left and of course, no sooner do you shoot this 99% dead tank does a full hp, big meaty slow superheavy come rumbling around across the map "NO!!!! " All tanks needs to be killed and are just as dangerous on 1% as 100% hp but you know what I mean, feels bad.




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