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Pattonizer #1 Posted 23 June 2018 - 07:59 PM

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https://tanks.gg/compare/121?t=121b



Question mark, question mark, question mark.

 

Edited by Pattonizer, 23 June 2018 - 07:59 PM.


Dr_Oolen #2 Posted 23 June 2018 - 08:30 PM

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I hope this is helpful. :XD


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Pattonizer #3 Posted 23 June 2018 - 08:45 PM

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 23 June 2018 - 07:30 PM, said:

 

I hope this is helpful. :XD

 

Please, do not make me. 

Flavortown #4 Posted 23 June 2018 - 08:51 PM

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121B is just a 121 with worse turret armor, top speed and alpha/dpm
121 is just a 121b with slightly better hull armor,  worse gun handling, acceleration and worse view range.

Also you missed the best part which is the premium pen on the 121b, 350 heat. Becouse you know, why not give it 350 pen

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Top clans need op stuff to remain top clans. Seems legit to me.

Pattonizer #6 Posted 23 June 2018 - 08:56 PM

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View PostFlavortown, on 23 June 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

121B is just a 121 with worse turret armor, top speed and alpha/dpm
121 is just a 121b with slightly better hull armor,  worse gun handling, acceleration and worse view range.

Also you missed the best part which is the premium pen on the 121b, 350 heat. Becouse you know, why not give it 350 pen

 

Are we looking at the same stats? Or you say those are wrong?

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View PostPattonizer, on 23 June 2018 - 08:56 PM, said:

 

Are we looking at the same stats? Or you say those are wrong?

 

Im guessing you ment the turret armor part, becouse rest of those can be seen from the stats.

 

The weak part of the 121b turret is basicly double the size of the 121 turret and with all the heat flying in top tiers it is a pain in the [edited]when you cant really trust your turret that much.
Feel free to look at the live 3d models of both, you can see the diffrence quite easily



Desyatnik_Pansy #8 Posted 23 June 2018 - 09:14 PM

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View PostPattonizer, on 23 June 2018 - 08:56 PM, said:

Are we looking at the same stats? Or you say those are wrong?

 

121 vs 121b:



somegras #9 Posted 23 June 2018 - 09:19 PM

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You either get a 105 on a slightly faster platform, or you get a 122 with 440alpha on a slightly slower one with soft stats almost as good as on the 105 version. Apart from the HP/t the differences are extremely minor, so basically you are just complaining about nothing.


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Pattonizer #10 Posted 23 June 2018 - 09:22 PM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 23 June 2018 - 08:14 PM, said:

 

121 vs 121b:

 

View PostFlavortown, on 23 June 2018 - 08:07 PM, said:

 

Im guessing you ment the turret armor part, becouse rest of those can be seen from the stats.

 

The weak part of the 121b turret is basicly double the size of the 121 turret and with all the heat flying in top tiers it is a pain in the [edited]when you cant really trust your turret that much.
Feel free to look at the live 3d models of both, you can see the diffrence quite easily


I seeeee. O-kay, good point. And is it not a good trade-off for that insane shell velocity? With HEAT, the 121's turret isn't that strong either.



Pattonizer #11 Posted 23 June 2018 - 09:23 PM

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View Postsomegras, on 23 June 2018 - 08:19 PM, said:

You either get a 105 on a slightly faster platform, or you get a 122 with 440alpha on a slightly slower one with soft stats almost as good as on the 105 version. Apart from the HP/t the differences are extremely minor, so basically you are just complaining about nothing.

 

I'm not complaining, don't be so righteous :D Btw those gun handling stats are not so slight differences. 

somegras #12 Posted 23 June 2018 - 09:25 PM

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View PostPattonizer, on 23 June 2018 - 09:23 PM, said:

 

I'm not complaining, don't be so righteous :D Btw those gun handling stats are not so slight differences. 

 

Then why make this thread in the first place. And guess what, a gun with 440 alpha instead of 390 gets worse gun handling, shocking.



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I'm not seeing the issue here?

Pattonizer #14 Posted 23 June 2018 - 09:28 PM

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View Postsomegras, on 23 June 2018 - 08:25 PM, said:

 

Then why make this thread in the first place. And guess what, a gun with 440 alpha instead of 390 gets worse gun handling, shocking.

 

To discuss. I guess you are here on the forum for the same reason, right? 

About the alpa dmg: with the same reload time, that would be a valid argument.

Pattonizer #15 Posted 23 June 2018 - 09:32 PM

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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 23 June 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

I'm not seeing the issue here?

 

Because you are looking for an issue here. This is just a comparison thread.

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I still don't get why they gave reward tanks that heat pen buff. makes no sense

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View PostPattonizer, on 23 June 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

To discuss. I guess you are here on the forum for the same reason, right? 

About the alpa dmg: with the same reload time, that would be a valid argument.

 

Discuss what exactly? Your opening post is literally a picture and some "question marks". I have no idea what your goal is, nor what you even want to discuss. And what do you mean, it would be a valid argument if they would have the same reload? Guns with higher alpha damage usually get worse soft stats because of balancing reasons, that is quite a common practice in WoT. So if two mostly identical platforms have two different guns like this, of course the higher alpha one would have worse aimtime and accuracy, it makes complete sense.

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View PostPattonizer, on 23 June 2018 - 08:32 PM, said:

 

Because you are looking for an issue here. This is just a comparison thread.

It helps having some kind of explanation, comment or just any kind of better thread starter than just:

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 Question mark, question mark, question mark.

 

What is the point of this thread?

 



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View PostPattonizer, on 23 June 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

 

To discuss. I guess you are here on the forum for the same reason, right? 

About the alpa dmg: with the same reload time, that would be a valid argument.

 

I really do not understand what is to discuss......

 

What ''alpha dmg: with the same reload time'' bro??? In your own pictures from the original post you can see that the tanks have different reload times, and the dpm is almost the same for them.

 

So what is your problem with 121 or 121B ?



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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 23 June 2018 - 08:36 PM, said:

It helps having some kind of explanation, comment or just any kind of better thread starter than just:

 

What is the point of this thread?

 

 

I'm still thinking that the 121B is just better, that was my clear, first impression. Now I'm told to look after the turret, and I've realized I forgot the check those. 121 is better on that obviously. That's where we are.

The rest is about a some talk about the thread and why is there a thread when this is a thread, and clearly we stop seeing an issue in a thread which is indeed a thread.




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