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So how is the obj 430 II now?


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TheOddRogue #1 Posted 25 June 2018 - 03:07 PM

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It wasn't much of a tank to begin with, but how is it after the changes, worse, better? Interesting gameplay?

Nov_A #2 Posted 25 June 2018 - 03:11 PM

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Unreliable in supporting, unable in brawling and overall a good addition to situational effective but overall weak T9 mediums like the Type 61 and T54E1.

zerosumgame #3 Posted 25 June 2018 - 03:13 PM

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Thanks for reminding me, I was planning on selling the tank after the update because it got so bad but had forgotten.:great:

Rati_Festa #4 Posted 25 June 2018 - 03:18 PM

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Its completely different, its no good at brawling anymore but is a lot better at sniping. Its a lot like its predecessor but not as good at its tier.

Its cheaper to run now though as the standard ammo is higher pen making its less reliant on gold spam. I preferred the old version but this version isnt crap and is its ok/good as a hybrid td/sniper.

Simeon85 #5 Posted 25 June 2018 - 03:57 PM

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Bad, it is basically a pointless tank now, it has no role and isn't really good at anything. 

 

Can't brawl at all because the armour is paper, especially on the hull.

Can't sidscrape like it used to because most tier 8s will punch through your turret.

 

And whilst the gun is a bit better, most other tier 9 meds like the Cent 7/1, Standard B, Leopard PTA, AMX 30 etc. are much better at medium to long ranges having more pen, more alpha, similar or better accuracy, more gun depression and have none of the awkwardness of a rear turret that only turns 90 degrees.

 

Both the 416 and K-91 has advantages over other mediums to compensate for the awkward rear turrets. 430 v2 does not, previously the very strong turret armour, and good side armour turned the awkward rear turret into somewhat of a strength because it was a side scraping king. Now you have all the awkwardness and nothing to show with it.

 

Even the pen buff is meh, you pay 1,230 credits for 320 alpha for the AP anyway so it;s still expensive to run, and the amount of stuff you couldn't previously pen with 201 AP pen, but can now pen with 246 AP pen is not that much, in the current meta you'll still be reaching for the HEAT, making the pen buff rather pointless.

 

IMO an absolutely horrible medium tank.  I'd chose every other tier 9 medium over it because they all have something to actually leverage and use against your opponents, the new 430 v2 does not.

 

It's an awkward jack of all trades tank, average in most areas and then really bad in two (depression and the turret placement) which is just not fun to play. 



clixor #6 Posted 25 June 2018 - 04:01 PM

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I loved the old obj-430-ii! i almost never keep tanks but never bothered with the 430 and kept my best russian med crew in it. The old 430-ii could really trol other meds, just facehug a t-54 and i managed to kill them without taking dmg myself. The new 430-ii  has become a jack of no trades. The only real upside is the better standard pen, but that doesnt really add anything as you could shoot gold if needed in the old one.

xtrem3x #7 Posted 25 June 2018 - 04:11 PM

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Loved the old one

Hate the new one

 

Needs it's armour back



Balc0ra #8 Posted 25 June 2018 - 08:05 PM

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Was trash before, still now. Before they wanted it to be a brawler... with 201 pen "hardly anyone used the 219 pen gun, as it could not hit the broadside of a barn, parked inside it". So you could not reliably fight anything most of the time. Then they wanted it to be a sniper with less armor and a gun with way more pen. The issue is that the camo still sucks and was not changed that much for that role vs even the 416. My AMX 30 had 2x more camo, more dpm, close to the same pen, and a bit worse dispersion. But I saw no reason to keep it over the AMX for the support role. As I would still have sold it vs the new 430 etc if was a brawler still. Elited it a few days ago "again". Sold it instantly. 

Thrael7 #9 Posted 25 June 2018 - 11:49 PM

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I take your word for it. I 'm done playing the same tank again even if K-91 is worth it. Certainly not playing a worse version of it. Old 430ver2 was indeed a fun tank.

Bad grinds have gotten on my nerves a long time ago. I 'm tired of not having fun, grinding like I have to...


Edited by Thrael7, 25 June 2018 - 11:50 PM.


ExistanceUK #10 Posted 26 June 2018 - 08:21 AM

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WG has done another bait and switch with the changes to the 430-II, the armour had to be nerfed because the top gun was getting huge buffs . . . Oh wait a second the top gun only improved to the same level as the stock gun was already at with more AP pen. So in reality the tank lost all it's armour for an AP pen buff, yeah sucks doesn't it?

 

It's not like they thought well this is a super OP tank we'll take away it's main strength and give it next to nothing in return. If their intension had be to make it a sneaky sniper tank like the rest of the line then they failed by a long way, they should have improved the camo, the accuracy and DPM of both guns (yes even more then what it is now) plus it should have gotten the increased turret arc buff the tier 10 got with a bit more gun depression (even 6 would be enough). 

 

Instead we have a shade of the tank it used to be and something which is nowhere near what it was intended to be. 

 


Edited by ExistanceUK, 26 June 2018 - 08:22 AM.


FluffyRedFox #11 Posted 26 June 2018 - 11:22 AM

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They tried to make it a tier 9 Obj 416, issue is that it doesn't feel much of an upgrade over the 416. You got the same alpha on a worse platform with tier-for-tier worse DPM. Sure, the standard pen is nice, but they both share the same gold shell so both tanks can pen the same things.

Mannanan #12 Posted 26 June 2018 - 11:29 AM

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No reason to play it compared to T10 which gets all the traits. And other russian meds can snipe pretty much like this and can do other roles. It was huge nerf to previous tank. That gun (as it is pretty much the same as the stock gun) was OK for tanks which could snipe and brawl, it is trash for a dedicated sniper. Turret gives no advantage with weak armor, only disadvantages. Sniper which can't snipe behind many non-transparent bushes because of a slope and bad depression.

TiMeK1ll3r #13 Posted 26 June 2018 - 12:22 PM

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Yeah basically they should create another tank to swap with the 430 v2 and change the 430v2 tier up/down while giving its armor back.

What i proposed long ago was to give the line an autoloader but i guess it flew over everyone's head since i saw noone giving a care about it.

Would had been a some kind of compensation for all the flaws in the line and maybe could had helped in creating a new gameplay.

 

430 v2 is basically the blurred shadow of what it was and overall it's a failure. If you need credits sell it, but personally i keep it in the garage in the hope that they will buff the line (or just the tank), so that it becomes competitive like when i sarted playing with it.

The only great thing about this game is that the prices never go down when you sell the vehicle (unless discounts), so it's a kinda good thing that you can wait to sell it and get half it's original price in any case.



hedgehog_s #14 Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:29 PM

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First day of its armour "nerf" I bounced 3.9K damage...………………….

Draqutsc #15 Posted 26 June 2018 - 06:38 PM

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It can't snipe, side scraping is the only way to use this thing so you need to play it like it like a side scraping heavy with crappy armor. it's gun is not made for sniping, don't even try.

SirRobz #16 Posted 06 July 2018 - 01:26 AM

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It has become a shitshow. Sorry to say it, but the tank is tottaly useless now. As many point out here, the minor gun buffs do not in any way make up for all the armor nerfs. I have tried to use mine as a sniper and it fail. I always end up with the conlcusion that if this is how i want to play I would be much better of with one of the faster TD's that have much better guns overall.  I see no reason at all to spend time on this tank anymore. And this also implies for the Tier X in the line. A different but pointless Tank line. Who in the WOT community ever wanted this line to be "wannabe TD sniper" ???  It was a different medium because of it's sidescraping abilities, why mess with that WG?

Edited by SirRobz, 06 July 2018 - 01:27 AM.


Simeon85 #17 Posted 06 July 2018 - 08:35 AM

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The K-91 is good and I like it, it's more like 416 and certainly can be fun.

 

Also with it's gun depression it's far less awkward than the previous two tanks, I'd reckon they should give the gun depression over the sides to the other two. 






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