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Dr_ownape #1 Posted 25 June 2018 - 06:55 PM

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Skoda T50/51 TVP falls 15m at most down a rock face on mines - sustains 700ish HP and dies

 

 

 

E50 falls 20-25m on sand river and bounces receiving 0 damage

 

 

I assume it has something to do with armour thickness but it is completely stupid as they deserve sacking

 

 


Edited by Dr_ownape, 25 June 2018 - 08:34 PM.


Enforcer1975 #2 Posted 25 June 2018 - 07:04 PM

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Sfinski #3 Posted 25 June 2018 - 07:27 PM

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Probably if the rock hits the hull it damages more than if the hit is to the tracks, even if the hit on tracks is more severe. 

 

Didn't watch the replays, so cant be sure, but that's what I suspect.



Orkbert #4 Posted 25 June 2018 - 08:39 PM

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First of all, thank You for giving us the time stamps of when it happens. Much appreciated that we could fast forward to the accidents in question.

 

But it is indeed quite odd. While the drop at Sand River might not have been as high as You wrote (you had some contact to the rocks for quite a bit so maybe the server assumed a somewhat shorter drop distance) it is still indeed strange that one drop did ~700 damage and the other one - zero (not even the tracks suffered much)

Only three explanations remain:

a) since it was sand on the ground where you dropped in Sand River whereas at Mines the ground does look rather stony, so maybe the softer ground composition could attribute to different damage numbers (but still ~700 vs.zero is ridiculous)

b) some map specific collision models or suchlike I myself have also managed to literally drop dead at Mines :great: so maybe the devs decided that players should not easily be able to leave the hill on Mines and as such kinda ramped up the damage you get when taking the plunge from the hill.

 

c) one of them (or maybe both) were a bit of a glitch where the collision model assumed a different dropping height that what the game actually shows us. I once survived a jump from the bridge at Westfield with my Pz.I C so how much damage one suffers from a drop seems rather inconsistent indeed (I concede that I have enhanced suspension on my I C and I only barely survived but the fall from the Westfield bridge is also substantially higher than the two drops in your replays)



Steel_Patriot #5 Posted 25 June 2018 - 10:03 PM

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If i still that the replay of washing machining sideways down the cliff on overlord due to a drunken braking attempt fail  in a Even90 ,  youd all be in AWE.   2 broken tracks + engine no dmg to hp.

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15m fall when you weight many tonnes is a lot of kinetic energy.

m4inbrain #7 Posted 25 June 2018 - 10:59 PM

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I think it has to do with weight, and how much damage the tracks can absorb. You see way more light tanks (as in, LTs and light in weight) flopping around than heavy tanks. They do it too, sometimes at least, but generally it's light tanks. 

 

With the two videos, it's hard to tell because the E50 video is shot from a bad angle. I can't tell 100%, but if you slow down the videos to .25 speed, you can see that the TVP doesn't land on his tracks, but on a corner of the hull. The E50 looks like it's landing on its tracks, but hard to tell.

 

edit: i jumped my Skoda T50 down there before, lost tracks but other than that was fine. With more speed, in fact, that's what makes me think it's the hull hitting the ground that is the problem.


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peekakilla #8 Posted 25 June 2018 - 11:18 PM

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pretty easy to understand tbh, one was made in Czechoslovakia and the other was made in Germany.

 

any other question? :trollface:



Homer_J #9 Posted 26 June 2018 - 12:14 AM

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View PostHedgehog1963, on 25 June 2018 - 10:52 PM, said:

15m fall when you weight many tonnes is a lot of kinetic energy.

 

I don't think anyone is denying that, it just seems inconsistent at times.  Not gamebreakingly but enough to make running down a cliff. or even a steep slope, a bit of a gamble.

Dr_ownape #10 Posted 26 June 2018 - 11:34 AM

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View Postm4inbrain, on 25 June 2018 - 09:59 PM, said:

 

With the two videos, it's hard to tell because the E50 video is shot from a bad angle. I

 

yeah im new to this game and still no clue how i managed to record the screen :(



Bora_BOOM #11 Posted 26 June 2018 - 12:17 PM

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Skoda fell on the Earth.

E50 rammed the Earth.



Emeraldweed #12 Posted 26 June 2018 - 12:29 PM

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View PostDr_ownape, on 26 June 2018 - 01:34 PM, said:

 

yeah im new to this game and still no clue how i managed to record the screen :(

 

try OBS for recording/streaming best free software i found :P

Derethim #13 Posted 26 June 2018 - 12:31 PM

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They need to explain the mechanics behind fall damage.

I also agree different terrain types cause more damage... I had a battle in my 13 90, which I suck in, where I fell like 3 metres at most on a tiny rock and got like 300 damage from it. Utter BS.



PoIestar #14 Posted 26 June 2018 - 12:40 PM

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View PostDerethim, on 26 June 2018 - 12:31 PM, said:

They need to explain the mechanics behind fall damage.

I also agree different terrain types cause more damage... I had a battle in my 13 90, which I suck in, where I fell like 3 metres at most on a tiny rock and got like 300 damage from it. Utter BS.

 

I had a game where I did a small jump in my 13 90, then landed on both tracks in the sand, braked too late and crashed into a rock. Died while taking 795 damage.

 

Some explanation for the fall and jump physics would be nice indeed.



Long_Range_Sniper #15 Posted 26 June 2018 - 12:44 PM

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WoT Physics? It's based on their own uncertainty principle. You're always uncertain how your tank will behave.

 

I was in game in a fast light tank recently and one of our team said in chat "Hey idiot, do you know where you are?", and I could only reply "No, but I know how fast I was going."



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 26 June 2018 - 11:44 AM, said:

WoT Physics? It's based on their own uncertainty principle. You're always uncertain how your tank will behave.

 

I was in game in a fast light tank recently and one of our team said in chat "Hey idiot, do you know where you are?", and I could only reply "No, but I know how fast I was going."

 

Shall I call you a taxi?

m1x_angelico #17 Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:12 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 26 June 2018 - 12:14 AM, said:

 

I don't think anyone is denying that, it just seems inconsistent at times.  Not gamebreakingly but enough to make running down a cliff. or even a steep slope, a bit of a gamble.

 

First of all, you must realize this is just a game. So comparing this with real-life physics is just ludicrous.

 

Exactly as Homer said, it is just inconsistent, they haven't perfected it yet. The fact that rock have become weird to interact with, only makes it have more bizarre outcomes. Sometimes, going slowly down will kill you, sometimes going 3 times faster won't, sometimes standing on a rock will cause you to slide down (e.g. into water) and you cannot do a thing about it, like you have no tracks to begin with. In time, they will make it better.



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View Postjabster, on 26 June 2018 - 12:31 PM, said:

 

Shall I call you a taxi?

 

Only if I can bring my coat.

 

Clearly there's a market for real-life physics out there.....PUBG anyone? If you skip past videos this one's worth a watch.

 

 



Aikl #19 Posted 26 June 2018 - 04:41 PM

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View PostDerethim, on 26 June 2018 - 11:31 AM, said:

They need to explain the mechanics behind fall damage.

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Well, we can safely assume that if the engine doesn't know what to do, it defaults to 'sploding the tank.

 

Generally, I think they just didn't do it properly. Some tanks are inherently prone to taking damage for no apparent reason. Others can jump down cliffs and tumble around without a scratch. Seem to be better for heavier tanks. BC 25tAP is terrible at falling down, E50's pretty good - as is JT88 and Maus.



ubinas3 #20 Posted 26 June 2018 - 04:56 PM

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Well I understand falling and dying but what can you say about my ending in that game here?

http://wotreplays.eu...ubinas3-type_64

It's a complete trash I would say!  Skip the game play right to my death and take a look.






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