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Metalsniper #1 Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:09 PM

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What would you say is the better money maker?

Emeraldweed #2 Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:18 PM

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For me it's the lorraine, but it requires a certain skill cap, i would say go for progetto since you need less exposure in order to deal damage

_b_ #3 Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:19 PM

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To not spend it and save them instead? ;)

 

But tbh think there is a forum thread on wotlabs listing them up after income, and think lorry got the price...



Steiner011 #4 Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:20 PM

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Purely based on money making:

 

Ghetto shell cost 430 credits for 240 dmg , Lorry 1030 credits for 300 dmg.

 

So , Ghetto.



tankqull #5 Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:28 PM

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ghetto is more expensive in regards of repeairs thus lorraine.

Steiner011 #6 Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:34 PM

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View Posttankqull, on 26 June 2018 - 01:28 PM, said:

ghetto is more expensive in regards of repeairs thus lorraine.

 

Got any listed proof for that?  I got my numbers from tanks.gg , and you?

Flavortown #7 Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:52 PM

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Playing lorraine more than 1-2 times a day will make you want to dig your eyes out with a spork.

So get the progetto

marlboro80 #8 Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:53 PM

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Progetto
Better mobility
Better gun handling
Faster aimtime
Possible to mount a gun rammer
Intro clip reload makes it more flexible
100 more hit points

Lorraine
1200 burst damage


I would go for the Italien one.

Cobra6 #9 Posted 26 June 2018 - 03:01 PM

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Lorraine simply for the fact it has higher standard penetration. This means you need to use less gold ammo which in turn means you'll make more credits.

 

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marlboro80 #10 Posted 26 June 2018 - 03:23 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 26 June 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Lorraine simply for the fact it has higher standard penetration. This means you need to use less gold ammo which in turn means you'll make more credits.

 

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I did fire a total of ~6 premium rounds in ~250 games with the progetto.
A game where I was last man standing against a Maus and E100 on mountain pass who both decided to go for cap...

 

you don’t need premium ammo on this tank.



8126Jakobsson #11 Posted 26 June 2018 - 03:28 PM

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I lay my vote on the Lorr. Good pen and can make a bunch of quick damage. Don't think it makes much of a difference which one you pick though so go with the one you prefer to play. Or would based on which nation's tanks you find to be more interesting, in case you have not tried them yet.  

Cobra6 #12 Posted 26 June 2018 - 03:32 PM

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View Postmarlboro80, on 26 June 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

 

I did fire a total of ~6 premium rounds in ~250 games with the progetto.
A game where I was last man standing against a Maus and E100 on mountain pass who both decided to go for cap...

 

you don’t need premium ammo on this tank.

 

Indeed you don't if you just play this game casually, you are free to ding on Defenders/VK1000P's etc. all day long and not lose money.

 

If you want to be competitive however and win more games then you lose, you'll need to fire premium ammo roughly 15%=>20% of the time due to WoT overbuffing the importance of armor the last year or two.

 

The 232 pen the Lorraine gets is a lot more effective then the 212 the Progetto gets.

 

212 penetration was a solid number that could take on most targets roughly 2-4 years ago in this game where at introduction an STA-1 could butter an IS-3 frontally every time in most engagements that were not just with it's weak spot visible. Nowadays you'll have a bit more trouble with that.

 

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Aikl #13 Posted 26 June 2018 - 03:39 PM

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View PostSteiner011, on 26 June 2018 - 01:34 PM, said:

 

Got any listed proof for that?  I got my numbers from tanks.gg , and you?

 

Wouldn't be so cocksure if I were you. Shell cost is not equivalent to credit gain, and does not give a good indication towards the net gain of a tank. Unless you miss a ton of shots per game, it's not even that relevant.

 

Tanks tend to have different credit 'factors', that we can't access. They make a different amount of credits 'per action' done.

For instance, the VK4503 has a credit gain, supposedly, equivalent to a T8 tank (suggested by support, patch notes cite increase in credit gain). The T92 supposedly has a high credit gain offset by the high cost of its premium ammo (claimed by staff). The FV4202 also got a buff to credit gain at some point (patch notes).

 

Shell cost is only part of the equation, and arguably one of the least relevant - I'd say the difference doesn't matter unless you miss/bounce a large amount of shells. Accuracy/dispersion, penetration. damage potential and 'scouting ability' matters as well. The Progetto has much better soft stats. Lorraine has quite a bit bigger penetration. Lorraine can technically dish out more damage, but the Prog. is more flexible. Progetto should also spot a fair bit better (more view range, smaller). Neither are particularly tough, but Progetto at least have some armor and more hitpoints.

 

Most important, however, is how much a player enjoys a tank. If tank A is fun to play, and tank B is a chore, it doesn't really matter that the latter earns 10-20% more credits.

As it happens, T8s are typically not that fun to play. Harsh matchmaking and certain broken tanks even in-tier.

 

My best advice is to stop pretending like any of these will be a tank that you'll enjoy playing in the long run and instead get something that doesn't get [edited] by the matchmaker. There's also the argument that the Progetto comes with a bunch of crap and the Lorraine, while expensive, doesn't.

 

However, if you do enjoy playing T8 and getting [edited] by the matchmaker, then I'd say get both - there's an overwhelming chance that World of Tanks and you are meant for each other and you should settle down with 'er. Heck, do as many others - effectively consummate the marriage while playing artillery.


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View PostMetalsniper, on 26 June 2018 - 01:09 PM, said:

What would you say is the better money maker?

 

The answer really is the tank playstyle you enjoy more.

If you perform better in autoloaders go Lorr, if you do better in autoreloaders go Ghetto.

Better performance, better xp rewards, better credit income.



MeNoobTank #15 Posted 26 June 2018 - 04:07 PM

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I would not go for any of them but only because I have a rule to not buy tanks that where either tech tree tanks (as with Lorr) or given in marathons (as Spagetti). I already regret buying T34 for this reason, and also for being pure trash.

falcon_96 #16 Posted 26 June 2018 - 04:23 PM

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I have both. Both are very good fun tanks to play, but i enjoy the pizzamobile more, just because of its flexibility+ the way better gun handling( long range shooting with the Lorr. can be... stress inducing). However if you manage to unload 2-3 good clips with it, the Lorraine can make you very happy financially.

Emeraldweed #17 Posted 26 June 2018 - 04:46 PM

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I prefer lorraine,  less exposure, higher module damage ( to me at least ), pretty straightforward gameplay, carries games like a baws 

Simeon85 #18 Posted 26 June 2018 - 04:50 PM

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Both, Lorraine has the higher pen and burst damage, but the Progetto is more flexible and has much better gun handling (the Lorraine can be very frustrating at times).

 

But if played correctly both can have high potential games and make lots of credits. 

 

Progetto bundle is also very expensive. 

 

I'd go with the one you have the best crew for. 



Browarszky #19 Posted 26 June 2018 - 06:24 PM

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Both make very good money for WG.

FatigueGalaxy #20 Posted 26 June 2018 - 06:51 PM

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Probably Lorraine. Better pen, better alpha and standard autoloader which is fairy easy to use: just dump your clip, relocate, repeat. You can do 1200 damage before most other meds reload their second shot... Tier 6 and 7 tanks don't even stand a chance.

Progetto is way more tricky to play if you want to be effective in it. It requires a lot of planning in the middle of the battle and a lot of self-discipline. If you don't know how to use it, it's just a mediocre autoloader.






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