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Poll: Type 62 G in WoT (12 members have cast votes)

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What do you think about having a Chinese Tier X LT Mini branch, with the Type 62 G?

  1. Yes, it's a good idea. (5 votes [41.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.67%

  2. No, it's a terrible idea. (3 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  3. Hard to say. (4 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

Would you play the Type 62 G if it was implemented with the optional gun and the stats on the opening post?

  1. Yes, definitely. (3 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. No, definitely not. (3 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  3. Only with diferent stats (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Hard to say. (6 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

Would you like to see a Tier X mini branch for another nation instead?

  1. Yes, I'd rather have a mini-branch on another nation. (7 votes [58.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.33%

  2. No, a Chinese mini-branch is fine. (1 vote [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  3. No, there's no need for Light Tank mini-branches (2 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  4. Hard to say. (2 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

British LT line?

  1. Yes. (12 votes [100.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

  2. No. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Hard to say (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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WindSplitter1 #1 Posted 27 June 2018 - 09:55 PM

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It's pretty much the same tank:

  1. Same chassis
  2. Probably the same gun

 

But the obvious difference is the turret, though the gun does seem different, it's still a 105mm.


 

My "proposal" if we can call it so, would be making this a "heavy Light" = the characteristics that make this tank a regular light tank (on the move %ACC and camo, speed, etc) with above average armour.

 

It would differ from the WZ-132-1 by not having the dracula cape (Anti-HEAT grids and skirts) but instead have artificially increased armour and an optional gun, like the E-100.

 

For example:

  1. 100mm of nominal hull armour thickness
  2. Optional gun (For example, the 122 mm 60-122T gun/WZ-120)

How do you balance such a gun in an LT?

 

Simples:

HP - 440/440/530 --> 440/440/530 - HP

Penetration - 249/340/68 --> 250/279/530 - Pen

Aiming Time - 3.4 --> 2.7

Dispersion - 0.38 --> 0.39

Rate of Fire - 5 (12s) --> 4.28 (14.01s)

 

Not a definite value, it would have to be supertested first. Bear with me as I have no idea to calculate DPM.

 

And then the rest of the things that characterise Chinese vehicles, like poor module health, no gun depression, inability to pivot, etc. But with moderation and not like the Type 62 loses its engine by any shot in the back. It would possess an engine that would get damaged often but not insta-KO for example.

 

What do you think?

 



Dava_117 #2 Posted 27 June 2018 - 10:18 PM

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Wouldn't a tank like this be a med then? Looks very close to 121 without more info about armour...

PervyPastryPuffer #3 Posted 27 June 2018 - 10:29 PM

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A British LT line would be nicer than another tier 10 tank "balanced" by WG.

m4inbrain #4 Posted 27 June 2018 - 10:45 PM

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Above average armor. Light tank. Pick one. The hint is in the name. Objectively you are describing a soviet/chinese medium tank.

FluffyRedFox #5 Posted 28 June 2018 - 10:46 AM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 27 June 2018 - 08:55 PM, said:

Not a definite value, it would have to be supertested first. Bear with me as I have no idea to calculate DPM

 

(60/14.01)*440 = 1,872.34 which seems a bit too low for a tier X light.

A few issues:

- Its from the 2000s.

- A better armoured light seems rather pointless as even with the 100mm upper plate, it'd just be a worse 121 or 430U. 

- T-100LT already fills the niche of having a light tank with above average armour.

I'd instead opt for just buffing the wz-132-1 with a 122 rather than introducing a different tank with the 122.



Derethim #6 Posted 28 June 2018 - 11:05 AM

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I'd love both British and Chinese light line. Wargaming being unable to balance light tanks, doesen't mean they won't accidentaly balance them in the future.

leggasiini #7 Posted 28 June 2018 - 11:08 AM

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Too modern design, even though technology-vise it could work in-game, as its basically a L7 on a modified Type 62.

 

Besides, I feel like there is still a lot of stuff to be implemented that should have higher priority than this. Chieftain, British LTs, Japanese TDs, etc etc



Simeon85 #8 Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:10 PM

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Seems very copy paste.

 

We need a new light line and I'd like to see the British light tank line which I think has enough candidates. 



Search_Warrant #9 Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:31 PM

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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 27 June 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

A British LT line would be nicer than another tier 10 tank "balanced" by WG.

 

Why? so we can get 17 pounder tier 10 light tank because WG dont believe in giving british a usable gun? especially on LT's

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 28 June 2018 - 12:31 PM, said:

Why? so we can get 17 pounder tier 10 light tank because WG dont believe in giving british a usable gun? especially on LT's

 

A 17-pdr could work surprisingly well, though it would be very annoying for the enemy. :)

 

17-pdr on Challenger has 239 APCR pen with 1105m/s shell velocity. Make it standard on the tier 10 LT. The base reload time would have to be reduced to 3 seconds. Combined with the Challenger's already amazing base accuracy of 0.30, negligible aim time and superb gun handling (due to slow turret traverse...needs tweaking ofc), it would be a real nail gun. :great:

 

The 17-pdr on the Challenger TD can already go under 3 sec reload when fully maxed out, why wouldn't a light tank at tier 10 with the same gun have the same or better stats as a fully upgraded tier 7 TD? :unsure: Plus, with such a gun it would be very different from any tank at that tier. Low alpha but insane DPM.



Search_Warrant #11 Posted 28 June 2018 - 01:44 PM

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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 28 June 2018 - 11:48 AM, said:

 

A 17-pdr could work surprisingly well, though it would be very annoying for the enemy. :)

 

17-pdr on Challenger has 239 APCR pen with 1105m/s shell velocity. Make it standard on the tier 10 LT. The base reload time would have to be reduced to 3 seconds. Combined with the Challenger's already amazing base accuracy of 0.30, negligible aim time and superb gun handling (due to slow turret traverse...needs tweaking ofc), it would be a real nail gun. :great:

 

The 17-pdr on the Challenger TD can already go under 3 sec reload when fully maxed out, why wouldn't a light tank at tier 10 with the same gun have the same or better stats as a fully upgraded tier 7 TD? :unsure: Plus, with such a gun it would be very different from any tank at that tier. Low alpha but insane DPM.

 

well the tier 7 your talking about (challanger) proved my point that low damage pewpew guns are worthless. WG straight gave it a 32 pounder. giving Challanger that gun after SO MANY YEARS put a smug smile on my face, just because it showed how incompetent WG is and all along the people who complained about the useless gun, finally got the gun it deserved.

 

But lets be real here. SU-152 has a friggin nuke strapped to the front of it and the tier 6 has a 122. nobody complained about them, EVER. wonder why.. hmm its almost as if TD's with big guns are usefull or something despite meta changes.


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azakow #12 Posted 28 June 2018 - 02:55 PM

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I do not care about any LT10 but T-100 LT, until LT get reworked.

So why to waste engergy on thing that will be crap anyway?

 



arthurwellsley #13 Posted 28 June 2018 - 03:14 PM

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1. I would much rather have a complete British Light tank line. There are plenty of unique tanks there to make a complete line, most of which had production runs.

2. I would much rather see another USA medium line, again they had plenty of candidates produced in steel that are not modelled in the game.

3. I would much rather see a Chieftain heavy/medium line added to Britain ingame, again there were plenty of models produced to make it.

4. leggasiini's Jap td line looks interesting.

5. There is another British td line to be had to include the Comres and the Contentious tanks (prototypes in museums).

6. Then maybe after Poland gets into the game your one off CN tier X light could arrive. Although it must be said that the Italians built lots of light tanks and tankettes in the inter war years, and seeing them at tiers I-IV would be interesting on an historical basis, especially if WG could use the engine noises from Lancia and Alfa Romeo cars for the engine sounds.



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View PostSimeon85, on 28 June 2018 - 11:10 AM, said:

Seems very copy paste.

 

We need a new light line and I'd like to see the British light tank line which I think has enough candidates. 

There are by far enough candidates for a Brit light, issue is that any tier 8, 9 and 10 candidates don't go well with WGs new "fit the line" approach. 

 



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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 28 June 2018 - 04:50 PM, said:

There are by far enough candidates for a Brit light, issue is that any tier 8, 9 and 10 candidates don't go well with WGs new "fit the line" approach. 

 

 

Doesn't stop them from sabotaging the historical specs to fit that concept :trollface:



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View Postleggasiini, on 28 June 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

 

Doesn't stop them from sabotaging the historical specs to fit that concept :trollface:

inb4 hesh slinging line with Scorpion - WG fake - Abbot as the tier 8 - 10

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