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Zinomov #1 Posted 29 June 2018 - 03:58 PM

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Many of you kept crying about the 268 v4 beign OP but I must stress that the Conqueror and its big brother the S.Conqueror are beyond OP and many people choose to grind this branch simply because they can over perform in these top tier heavies, and we saw many replies about these tanks so none can deny the facts here, this is simply outrageous and that is for several reasons, thus here are the nerfs that i'm suggesting :

Conqueror (IX) :
Remove the turret shield from the upgraded turret

change the gun depression from 10° to 7°
Change the armor on the side cheeks from 304.8 mm to something like  208.4 mm

S.Conqueror (X) :
Change the gun depression from 10° to 7°
Change the armor on the side cheeks from 304.8 mm to something like 237.8 mm



Simeon85 #2 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:00 PM

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Neither are OP and those changes to the turret armour would basically make the turrets pointless.

 

-7 gun depression to the Super Conq would be ok, but that change would have to be in line with nerfs to other power creep tanks like 5A, Fatton, IS7 etc. and nerfs to OP tanks like the 430U.

 

 



Rati_Festa #3 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:07 PM

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View PostZinomov, on 29 June 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

Many of you kept crying about the 268 v4 beign OP but I must stress that the Conqueror and its big brother the S.Conqueror are beyond OP and many people choose to grind this branch simply because they can over perform in these top tier heavies, and we saw many replies about these tanks so none can deny the facts here, this is simply outrageous and that is for several reasons, thus here are the nerfs that i'm suggesting :

Conqueror (IX) :
Remove the turret shield from the upgraded turret

change the gun depression from 10° to 7°
Change the armor on the side cheeks from 304.8 mm to something like  208.4 mm

S.Conqueror (X) :
Change the gun depression from 10° to 7°
Change the armor on the side cheeks from 304.8 mm to something like 237.8 mm

 

Your post should start

 

Many of you observed correctly that the obj 268 v4 was op....

 

Insulting 90% of the forumites in your first comment is not a good way to post.



CircleOfSorrow #4 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:11 PM

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View PostZinomov, on 29 June 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

Many of you kept crying about the 268 v4 beign OP but I must stress that the Conqueror and its big brother the S.Conqueror are beyond OP and many people choose to grind this branch simply because they can over perform in these top tier heavies, and we saw many replies about these tanks so none can deny the facts here, this is simply outrageous and that is for several reasons, thus here are the nerfs that i'm suggesting :

Conqueror (IX) :
Remove the turret shield from the upgraded turret

change the gun depression from 10° to 7°
Change the armor on the side cheeks from 304.8 mm to something like  208.4 mm

S.Conqueror (X) :
Change the gun depression from 10° to 7°
Change the armor on the side cheeks from 304.8 mm to something like 237.8 mm

 

I am going to freexp them.  Thanks for the heads up.

 

See you on the battlefield!



Zinomov #5 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:29 PM

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i see that the people on this forum are as sarcastic as ever
fine do what you want

vasilinhorulezz #6 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:32 PM

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S. Conq is OP when it's in it's comfort zone,

V4 is OP in every situation.

I do agree that it's too strong, when hull-down,

but clearly the V4 overperforms any tier 10 tank atm.



peekakilla #7 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:40 PM

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View PostZinomov, on 29 June 2018 - 04:29 PM, said:

i see that the people on this forum are as sarcastic as ever
fine do what you want

 

mhe.....not even the time to make some :popcorn: that he already gave up, where is my entertainment?

snowlywhite #8 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:46 PM

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View PostZinomov, on 29 June 2018 - 04:29 PM, said:

i see that the people on this forum are as sarcastic as ever
fine do what you want

 

obviously they're sarcastic; your initial post presents 0 arguments why those tanks are OP. WR don't show these tanks as OP either(contrary to 268 v4, which is obviously OP based on figures even after the supposed "nerfs" )

 

Personally I don't mind fighting either even in a tier 8; I just don't engage them when they're in their element. But than I don't go yolo a loaded autoloader either when I'm alone. Nor do I engage in trading 1 for 1 with a jagd e100.

 

You basically made a post saying "I think those tanks should be nerfed because I got banged by one". What do you expect? Ppl will make fun of you, why wouldn't they?

 

p.s. - the tanks already have a weakspot the size of a house pennable, again, by any tier 8 with std. armor. If they wouldn't have turret, wth would they have? Mobility sure they don't.


Edited by snowlywhite, 29 June 2018 - 04:58 PM.


ZDN #9 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:49 PM

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Conq and s conq OP? Just good turets and decent guns.The rest is not so good.In the end not OP!



MR_FIAT #10 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:51 PM

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or you know... revert the conqueror to what it was before...

 

if you honestly think s.conq is more opthen bobject 268 4, you must be on some interesting stuff.


Edited by MR_FIAT, 29 June 2018 - 04:52 PM.


HundeWurst #11 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:52 PM

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Both tanks would be alright if they would get back their old gun depression value of -7°.

 



DangerMouse #12 Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:55 PM

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View PostZinomov, on 29 June 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

Many of you kept crying about the 268 v4 beign OP but I must stress that the Conqueror and its big brother the S.Conqueror are beyond OP and many people choose to grind this branch simply because they can over perform in these top tier heavies, and we saw many replies about these tanks so none can deny the facts here, this is simply outrageous and that is for several reasons, thus here are the nerfs that i'm suggesting :

Conqueror (IX) :
Remove the turret shield from the upgraded turret

change the gun depression from 10° to 7°
Change the armor on the side cheeks from 304.8 mm to something like  208.4 mm

S.Conqueror (X) :
Change the gun depression from 10° to 7°
Change the armor on the side cheeks from 304.8 mm to something like 237.8 mm

 

Let me re-write that for you.

 

I play almost exclusively Russian tanks and I don't want other nations having anything remotely competitive. 

 

 



snowlywhite #13 Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:01 PM

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View PostDangerMouse, on 29 June 2018 - 04:55 PM, said:

Let me re-write that for you.

 

I play almost exclusively Russian tanks and I don't want other nations having anything remotely competitive.

 

wow,  the guy sure is one dimensional in his nation picks =))))



pecopad #14 Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:32 PM

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Conqueror tier IX OP.... LOL

 

Worst tier 9 heavy tank, with tank curves worst than the tier 7 Black Prince, and someone thinks that this tank is OP.

 

Slow paper tank, you can pen an Hull Down Conqueror on the turret with almost all tier 8 tanks shooting gold, not to mention when you are not hull down, where any tank you face can pen 90% of the tank.

 

You can only play this turd has a 2nd line support tank...

 

Super Conqueror is a much better tank, the lack of the turret frontal weakspots, makes this tank playable and competitive, but far from OP.


Edited by pecopad, 29 June 2018 - 05:33 PM.


peekakilla #15 Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:35 PM

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View Postpecopad, on 29 June 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

Conqueror tier IX OP.... LOL

 

Worst tier 9 heavy tank, with tank curves worst than the tier 7 Black Prince, and someone thinks that this tank is OP.

 

Slow paper tank, you can pen an Hull Down Conqueror on the turret with almost all tier 8 tanks shooting gold, not to mention when you are not hull down, where any tank you face can pen 90% of the tank.

 

You can only play this turd has a 2nd line support tank...

 

Super Conqueror is a much better tank, the lack of the turret frontal weakspots, makes this tank playable and competitive, but far from OP.

 

wow that was amazing man, you just went all in, i like your style keep them coming :popcorn:



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View Postpecopad, on 29 June 2018 - 06:32 PM, said:

Conqueror tier IX OP.... LOL

 

Worst tier 9 heavy tank, with tank curves worst than the tier 7 Black Prince, and someone thinks that this tank is OP.

 

Slow paper tank, you can pen an Hull Down Conqueror on the turret with almost all tier 8 tanks shooting gold, not to mention when you are not hull down, where any tank you face can pen 90% of the tank.

 

You can only play this turd has a 2nd line support tank...

 

Super Conqueror is a much better tank, the lack of the turret frontal weakspots, makes this tank playable and competitive, but far from OP.

 

So you think tank can be good only if it has armour?

 

Not worst by far....



pecopad #17 Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:47 PM

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View Postpeekakilla, on 29 June 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

 

wow that was amazing man, you just went all in, i like your style keep them coming :popcorn:

 

Because people don't know what they say, and don't actually care about informing themselves. Go to the link bellow, and then compare the tank curves from the conqueror to the black prince.

 

Conqueror is a good tank for good players and a bad tank for bad players, quite the opposite of an OP tank.

 

 

Conqueror is the worst tier 9 heavy tank in stats, but also its a tank that has nothing going for him, you can have other tanks that do what the conqueror does but better.

 

http://wot-news.com/...nkinfo/en/eu/uk

 

 

 

 

 

Just take a look at the 

 

 


Edited by pecopad, 29 June 2018 - 05:48 PM.


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View PostSimeon85, on 29 June 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

Neither are OP and those changes to the turret armour would basically make the turrets pointless.

 

-7 gun depression to the Super Conq would be ok, but that change would have to be in line with nerfs to other power creep tanks like 5A, Fatton, IS7 etc. and nerfs to OP tanks like the 430U.

 

 

 

Conqueror was doing fine with HD buff to turret, that shield he got is unhistorical and not needed. 

300 mm thick armor part added on hull are fake AF in historical tank, so yea. 

Conqueror should be set back to his previous state, after HD changes. With better dpm and mobility. 

 

pecopad #19 Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:56 PM

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View Postares354, on 29 June 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

 

Conqueror was doing fine with HD buff to turret, that shield he got is unhistorical and not needed. 

300 mm thick armor part added on hull are fake AF in historical tank, so yea. 

Conqueror should be set back to his previous state, after HD changes. With better dpm and mobility. 

 

 

Have you ever looked into the Conqueror curves?

 

Conqueror never did good, except for good players... and by the way, nobody cares about the shield, you have a big weakspot on the mantlet and a comander hatch. The shield can't stop anything, since l HE and Heat will be deflected to the commander and other weakspot...

 

Conqueror turrer maybe was good before patch 1.0, but with the hitbox problems, it does not work anymore.



gofastandrush #20 Posted 29 June 2018 - 06:10 PM

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Please, what is this point regarding the hitbox ?
Does-it concern other tanks ?




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