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Search_Warrant #1 Posted 04 July 2018 - 01:37 PM

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https://tanks.gg/tan...ats?cs=fv4202-p

 

T-44-100 gun vs 20 pounder FV4202                             Fv4202 base stats                                                    

 

How is this fair and balanced? why the hell does a 20 pounder which is a 84mm gun, have such abysmal stats in comparison to a 100mm gun? look at all that green the T44-100 has! all the FV has is a bit more pen and velocity! thats it! T-44-100 can press 2 and instantly become 100% better gun.

 

Even down to the shell cost its better. what really pisses me off is LOOK AT THEM DISPERSION VALUES! HOLY SWEET MOTHER OF GOD! 0.12?! are you kidding me? 0.11 turret turning? why the hell should a T-44-100 who has more effective armor and mobility than a FV get such insane stupid gun stats? and it hits 20 more damage AND it has 100+ more DPM. how is that fair?

 

I cant believe people say the 20 pounder is accurate when its only 0.02 better than a russian 100mm gun. all FV has is 3 more gundep, but lets face it. T-44-100's -7 gundep on such a gun this broken strong and has a much smaller turret (its like more than half smaller) and better armored while being flat as a pancake roof, how does it have such stupid levels of gundep? Dome mediums with 100mm guns all have -5!

 

I quote Tajj7:

 

There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the Primo/RAAC (do laugh that people having been calling the RAAC pay to win), they are solid tanks, good turret, good pen, decent mobility, gun depression etc. In a tier 8 environment like Frontlines they are fun to play and can beat something like Progetto if used correctly. DPM is bit funky as is gun handling, I don't think either tank would be 'OP' with say 2.4 - 2.5k DPM to compensate for their 230 alpha, especially if they kept the wonky gun handling. 

 

I mean Circon was playing the RAAC the other day and was aiming at something and said he always was surprised that it took that long to aim with something that only has 230 alpha on tier 8, the aim time felt like what you would expect for 390 alpha. Which is spot on, either the DPM or gun handling needs to be way better for these low alpha tanks. "

 

both of them are correct Circon and Tajj7. why the hell they abuse british 20 pounder so badly? 0.19 dispersion values are disgusting. what the hell are WG smoking? extra kick in the nuts is a T-44-100 holding more shells. what a joke.

 

I demand a buff to ALL 20 pounders gun handling WG! im not asking Pilot1 levels of gun handling but it should be damwell better than 100mm russian guns for the caliber/alpha/dpm loss! Charioteer is near impossible to play stock with how bad it is too. i refuse to grind it untill the 20 pounder is rightfully buffed.


Edited by Search_Warrant, 04 July 2018 - 01:39 PM.


Cobra6 #2 Posted 04 July 2018 - 01:45 PM

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Thing is, the T-44 never needed a buff to it's gun handling. It was a perfectly balanced medium tank.

First they gave it 250mm frontal turret armor, pretty much more effective then the Pershing (lol) and then they gave it this laser gun as well.......

 

Meanwhile, many tier 8 mediums that rightfully deserve buffs are still waiting.

 

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Ceeb #3 Posted 04 July 2018 - 01:45 PM

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Well, It comes down to the fact the Centurions kicked the living crap out of the same era Soviet tanks.
 
In real life.
 
Russians hate that.  So as its their game they can rewrite history.
 
Oh and the I DEMAND made me giggle.... I can just see you there stamping your feet as well.
 
edit.... It was Tajj7 quote, not yours.

Edited by Ceeb, 04 July 2018 - 01:46 PM.


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I like the part, where T-44-100 has better ground resistances and engine power/weight than M41 90mm, which is a light tank. That's balanced bois!



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View PostCeeb, on 04 July 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

 
edit.... It was Tajj7 quote, not yours.

 

I put "i quote Tajj7:" ? what are you refering to?

 

Edit: also i put "i demand" because this BS has been going on since the release of british nation and im sick of it.


Edited by Search_Warrant, 04 July 2018 - 01:56 PM.


TheDrownedApe #6 Posted 04 July 2018 - 02:01 PM

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yup so don't play them, buy them or indeed grind them. I only got the Challenger when they gave it the new 32 pound gun. Can you imagine going FORWARD to the charioteer and having inferior guns for 100k of grinding. haha nice joke WG. So I haven't, but then boy is the challenger good...shhhh

Edited by Dr_ownape, 04 July 2018 - 02:02 PM.


NoobySkooby #7 Posted 04 July 2018 - 02:02 PM

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you do realise resistance is futile, demands that we all make of the WG empire, are just met with stony silence and ignored, think I a wrong?

 

 

Just look at the PMM scandal



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Cherry on the top - shell price!

 

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The T-44-100 is probably a bench mark around what a tier 8 medium probably should look like. It's good for a tier 8 medium tank, which means it's not overall super OP, it's just the competition is generally meh.

 

I have never really got why the tier 8 mediums are so much worse than their tier 9 counterpart and why the DPM from tier 6 to 8 doesn't seem to go up, and in some cases goes down.  I mean look at the US mediums, at tier 6 you have the Easy8 with 2.2k DPM, then at tier 8 you have the Pershing with just 1.8k DPM for 240 alpha and that then jumps to 2.7k DPM for 390 alpha on tier 9 with the M46 Patton. 

 

The 20lbers seem to suffer from some sort of old balancing rule where if you have good pen on a medium tank you have to pay for it in other areas, which IMO has held back tanks like the Panther, Panther 2, the Cent 1, FV4202 etc. when the rule has no relevance in the current meta.

 

This is also funny -

 

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Less DPM than 390 and 440 alpha tier 8 heavies, even though it has just 230 alpha and far less armour.

 

WG seem to hate the FV4202, just think how many buffs it has taken just to get it to the poor state it is now, and generally their balance is just off particularly compared to tier 8 heavies and TDs on their DPM and gun handling, and compared to their tier 8 counterparts. 

 

Pretty much all tier 8 meds (and lights) IMO need a DPM buff, if the Caernarvon can have like 2.6k for 280 alpha, then why can't the 230-250 alpha guns on tier 8 have like 2.2 - 2.5k and some handling buffs? 



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I demand that bots like me are given Defenders with Aimbot devices attached to them so people cannot mock me anymore................:D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But oh wait, no one cares, no one listens and I know that once a bot, always a bot.:trollface:

 

 

By the way I rather like the new Centurion which for some reason surprised me.



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View PostDr_ownape, on 04 July 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

yup so don't play them, buy them or indeed grind them. I only got the Challenger when they gave it the new 32 pound gun. Can you imagine going FORWARD to the charioteer and having inferior guns for 100k of grinding. haha nice joke WG. So I haven't, but then boy is the challenger good...shhhh

 

.....Yes I can :hiding:

 

 

View PostSimeon85, on 04 July 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

 

I have never really got why the tier 8 mediums are so much worse than their tier 9 counterpart and why the DPM from tier 6 to 8 doesn't seem to go up, and in some cases goes down.  I mean look at the US mediums, at tier 6 you have the Easy8 with 2.2k DPM, then at tier 8 you have the Pershing with just 1.8k DPM for 240 alpha and that then jumps to 2.7k DPM for 390 alpha on tier 9 with the M46 Patton. 

 

 

Because during closed beta and even the first two years of release tier 9 was the maximum for mediums, you didn't have so many high alpha medium tanks on tier 9 and 10 and back in those days, 175 was sufficient for most engagements, heck the 202 pen on the Panther II was more then enough to do a lot of damage.

 

Basically the tier 8 mediums didn't have super high DPM to prevent them from slaughtering the lower tiers which could not do much against them in most engagements so if the tier 8 tank has less DPM, the lower tier stands a better chance.

When they introduced tier 10 mediums however, the whole DPM balancing of tier 8 mediums should have been dropped. There is currently no valid reason for tier 6,7,9, and 10 mediums having 2200+DPM and tier 8 mediums being stuck at 1800+ for no reason what so ever.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 04 July 2018 - 02:23 PM.


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I have both tanks and I use them often.  

With the T-44-100 I have 1204 battles, win ratio of 51.83% (just tiny less than my overall)

I have a lot of fun driving it and I like how it drives and shoots.  I rarely use premium ammo on it, only when I absolutely have to.  (edit: I also like its hull armor which has saved me many times)

Accuracy with its gun is at 73.27% for me.

 

With the FV4202 I have 653 battles, win ratio of 54.52%  

Again I have a lot of fun driving it, though due to the slower overall feel of the vehicle, not 100% as much as with the T-44-100, but overall I obviously do better with it than the Soviet counterpart. 

Again I rarely use premium ammo.

Accuracy with its gun for me is at 72.43%

 

My overall accuracy with all tanks is at 73.34%

 

So even though my win ratio is better with the FV, my play is better with the T-44-100.

Having said that, I never ever remember me thinking/saying that the FV4202 has a bad gun, or worse than the T-44-100.  Ever.

In fact I like the higher velocity of its shells and even more I like the higher penetration.  I also have to say I completely disagree that the about 30 more pen is "a bit more".  It's a huge difference when talking about under and over 200.

 

Of course, unlike all the pro players, I don't use premium consumables, and I don't spam gold ammo like it's going out of business.    So for me the higher velocity and penetration of the FV easily counterbalances any irrelevant advantages of the T-44-100 over it.  I say irrelevant because this game is WoT and not T-44-100 vs FV4202.

 

But that's just me.

 


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you're comparing with the only medium that is vaguely ok in tier 8. As much as anything in tier 8 can be ok - which isn't very much to begin with.

 

Tier 8 is aids as long as this MM is in place; tier 8 meds are particularly aids. But, then, you have tier 8 lights, so you can comfort yourself some got it even worse =))))

 

p.s. - what guy above says. 190 pen is *hit. 226 is workable in tier 8. 190 means you have to load skill a lot. It's not 26 more pen, it's 15% more pen. Which is more or less the pen increase you get from advancing one tier.


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View PostCobra6, on 04 July 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

 

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ouch dat gun makes me want to cry... glad i chose to wait for the 32pdr. like how that kv-3 suddenly appeared 50m away..BOO..I'm here to ruin your game.

 



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As others have intimated, it's partly a product of infantile developer minds believing the propaganda they were told at school, i.e Russian = better. Never mind that in real life the Cent series tanks were simply better. 

If the game were administered by a Western company, I guess there would still be a possibility of Western bias, but I like to think it would be mitigated. Sadly, we'll never know. With some exceptions, Russian pixels will always join more coherently that Western equivalents. 



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 04 July 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

I like the part, where T-44-100 has better ground resistances and engine power/weight than M41 90mm, which is a light tank. That's balanced bois!

 

Want to know why? 

 



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View PostDr_ownape, on 04 July 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

 

ouch dat gun makes me want to cry... glad i chose to wait for the 32pdr. like how that kv-3 suddenly appeared 50m away..BOO..I'm here to ruin your game.

 

 

Glorious WoT spotting mechanics always provide amusement :)

 

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So aim time and rate of fire is superior on the Russian tank despite the horrendously cramped turret and the larger rounds to handle?

 

And the dispersions a joke, the 20pdr was an extremely accurate gun, they were able to put HE shells into bunker slots from almost a mile away in Korea.

And can someone explain the shell cost?
 

But then again the Russians don't like us Brits very much, hope we knock them out of the cup!


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