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becellimaria #1 Posted 06 July 2018 - 12:34 PM

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WG, now that you have made AT2 a crap, are you satisfied?

xx984 #2 Posted 06 July 2018 - 12:52 PM

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Forgot the AT-2 existed lol

Zinomov #3 Posted 06 July 2018 - 12:58 PM

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it was a bit OP back in the day you know

THE_JACK_OF_HEARTS #4 Posted 06 July 2018 - 12:59 PM

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go back to bloody sleep op..

Gremlin182 #5 Posted 06 July 2018 - 01:03 PM

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So drive the AT8 instead they made that better AT2 got nerfed a little AT 8 7 15 and Tortoise were improved

NoobySkooby #6 Posted 06 July 2018 - 01:13 PM

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View PostGremlin182, on 06 July 2018 - 01:03 PM, said:

So drive the AT8 instead they made that better AT2 got nerfed a little AT 8 7 15 and Tortoise were improved

 

I still take mine out from time to time, the derp gun on it is always fun, as for the AT 7 and 8, they are there just to be ground up through, AT 15 with the 32 pndr looks nice but i a long way off for me, anything above is somewhere in the next universe for me too.

 



Enforcer1975 #7 Posted 06 July 2018 - 01:59 PM

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View PostZinomov, on 06 July 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

it was a bit OP back in the day you know

Not really. It was more the fact that players always tried to shoot it from the front even though they can easily outflank it with their speed. I had enough games in it where i had enemy tanks on a 120° arc in front of me and none of the fast tanks bothered to move into my side. They just dinged me. 



Balc0ra #8 Posted 06 July 2018 - 02:19 PM

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It's a tier 5 TD that could bounce tier 8 HT guns on the hull at times. And it was fine for you? Half the targets he faced could not even pen the cupola with AP. Inc most old tier 5 premiums. It needed a slap. And tbh, it's still strong as top tier. As it should be. I see no reason why I should dominate with hull amor that even made most tier 8 HT's jelly. 

wsatnutter #9 Posted 06 July 2018 - 02:37 PM

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AT2 is ok if you adapt

FluffyRedFox #10 Posted 06 July 2018 - 02:38 PM

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Grinding it now, I think the tank itself is fine but the issue is that it sits at tier 5 where HE spam is prominent. 105 derps can do around 100+ damage just by autoaiming at you, tier 5 arty is hilariously unbalanced as a grille for instance takes off half your HP, stuns you and reloads in about 20 seconds so you're practically dead if one starts shooting you. Then you can run into the 950 alpha derps at tier 6 which wipe out about 90%+ of your HP in one shot and can even oneshot you on a high roll without even penning you. All of these stop you from relying on the armour, which is the only benefit the AT-2 has to offer. 

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if at least 80% of the damage I take in the AT-2 is from HE, as I don't tend to have issues with bouncing AP or prem rounds unless in uptiered games.



Gremlin182 #11 Posted 06 July 2018 - 02:46 PM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 06 July 2018 - 01:13 PM, said:

 

I still take mine out from time to time, the derp gun on it is always fun, as for the AT 7 and 8, they are there just to be ground up through, AT 15 with the 32 pndr looks nice but i a long way off for me, anything above is somewhere in the next universe for me too.

 

 

I kept the AT2 when I got the AT8

AT8 used to be average the weak spot was bad and gun elevation terrible now it seems much better.

AT7 was interesting because the gun was to one side you could use that to hide most of the tank behind cover.

AT15 is great because it has a good gun arc so you can actually angle the armour.

Tortoise was a complete pain until I got the top gun and I free xped my way to that.

Now I just play the occasional game in the AT2, Badger and 183

Then I played like crazy to get the tier 10 before it was removed.



LordMuffin #12 Posted 06 July 2018 - 02:47 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 06 July 2018 - 01:59 PM, said:

Not really. It was more the fact that players always tried to shoot it from the front even though they can easily outflank it with their speed. I had enough games in it where i had enemy tanks on a 120° arc in front of me and none of the fast tanks bothered to move into my side. They just dinged me. 

You could pen it frontally aswell.

There was a cupola and some other weaker parts to shoot.

 

View PostFluffyRedFox, on 06 July 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

Grinding it now, I think the tank itself is fine but the issue is that it sits at tier 5 where HE spam is prominent. 105 derps can do around 100+ damage just by autoaiming at you, tier 5 arty is hilariously unbalanced as a grille for instance takes off half your HP, stuns you and reloads in about 20 seconds so you're practically dead if one starts shooting you. Then you can run into the 950 alpha derps at tier 6 which wipe out about 90%+ of your HP in one shot and can even oneshot you on a high roll without even penning you. All of these stop you from relying on the armour, which is the only benefit the AT-2 has to offer. 

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if at least 80% of the damage I take in the AT-2 is from HE, as I don't tend to have issues with bouncing AP or prem rounds unless in uptiered games.

And now, the armour of at-2 got heavily nerfed.

Before it was prem shell resistant Om most parts with weakspots that regular shells could pen.

 

Now, it is resistant to all regular T5 shells while countable to all T5 premium shells. More or less.

Good change...


 

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Dava_117 #14 Posted 06 July 2018 - 05:09 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 06 July 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

It's a tier 5 TD that could bounce tier 8 HT guns on the hull at times. And it was fine for you? Half the targets he faced could not even pen the cupola with AP. Inc most old tier 5 premiums. It needed a slap. And tbh, it's still strong as top tier. As it should be. I see no reason why I should dominate with hull amor that even made most tier 8 HT's jelly. 

 

It was fine, it had weackspots that almost every tank it met could pen. They just needed to lower the cupola from 101 to 75-70mm and it would have been completely balanced. It was one of the tanks that teach player to go for weackspots. Now is another of the just press 2 tanks...


Edited by Dava_117, 06 July 2018 - 05:14 PM.


OlympusPk #15 Posted 07 July 2018 - 09:33 AM

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After they nerfed it they totally *edited* up the AT-2 and is almost unplayable. It has no specific characteristic to get balanced in the battle. The only advandage it had was the armor. Now:

1. It so slow (slower than the TOG) so it cannot go to fight in time and it is an almost static target for SPGs.

2. Its gun is underpower for a TD and when it faces armored tier 5 and most of tier 6 and 7 it has to switch to premium ammo with 75 !!!! damage.

3. Its gun arc is narrow so it has to turn the hull to aim, losing so its camouflage values (if any), reducing its view range provided by the binoculars and finally screwing up its aiming time for that minimal 75 Hp damage..

4. In snipping, its gun is so underpower and in close combat the enemies either will easily shoot its huge cupola or switch to premium ammo and shoot, Every tier 6 can right click and shoot at the front without aiming at weak points or spamming a single premium ammo,

5. It has no prefferencial MM so its almost useless when playing with tier 7

6. Every other tank can outflank it since its traverse is terrible.

7. Poor view range (around 400m with binoculars)

Its original armor was the only pros it had and now its gone. And the only reason they did it, is to spam premium ammo.

Poor gun => spam gold to enemies

Mediocre armor=> premium ammo spamming by enemies will reliably penetrate it

 

WG please restore AT-2 armor please.


Edited by G_Bg_82, 07 July 2018 - 02:27 PM.
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Thuis001 #16 Posted 07 July 2018 - 10:28 AM

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The nerf was unnecessary, what they should have done is nerf just the cupola instead of the entire frontal armor, because it went from: Can reliably bounce any shell it faces except for a few tier VII and some tier VI prem. to: Spam gold for free pen. This tank already had some serious drawbacks: It's slow, turns slow, the gun is terrible for the tank (75d/110p) and now it's armor is worth almost nothing. The armor was already having some issues because of the prevalence of 105mm Howitzers at tier V which can generally kill you in 4-5 shots no matter where they hit you (I've only had some cases where they did absolutely no dmg) and the fact that tier V arty is stupidly overpowered for it's tier (not rare to see it do 200+ dmg, which is about 40-50% of it's HP) which has the tendency to shoot this tank due to it being slow and spotted most of the time. At the bare minimum they should have given it a more powerfull gun when they nerfed the armor and it would have been somewhat fine. (still think it should have had a better gun to start with)

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AT 2 now crap. Played 1883 battles, got 2 Marks of Excellence.

Selling this overgrown door stop.



Andrasan89 #18 Posted 10 August 2018 - 02:36 PM

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they nerfed main armor but still let what is suposed to be a weakpoint TOO STRONG. (commander cupola)

 

just...imbecile balance

 

made it weak to gold but strong enough even on weakpoint to standard..

 

just p2w not balance :facepalm:

thats the story about "rebalance"


Edited by Andrasan89, 10 August 2018 - 02:38 PM.


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View PostAndrasan89, on 10 August 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

they nerfed main armor but still let what is suposed to be a weakpoint TOO STRONG. (commander cupola)

 

just...imbecile balance

 

made it weak to gold but strong enough even on weakpoint to standard..

 

just p2w not balance :facepalm:

thats the story about "rebalance"

Agreed, WGs balance of this tank is just completely retarded.

It is like a Type 5 at T5.

Press 2 for auto pen, otherwise you bounce all front. 

Press 2 in tank, otherwise you bounce half shots due to bad accuracy and pen.



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it already was a boring crap tank to play and now its bad too lol cant have a UK tank be competetive you know because RASHA DA KOMRADE.




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