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Alabamatick #21 Posted 08 July 2018 - 06:26 PM

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According to some posters tin foil hatters, that kind of mm is already in operation :trollface:

 

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View PostHundeWurst, on 08 July 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

Thats the worst I have ever seen. Git Gut

you mean wurst

 

 


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Pattonizer #22 Posted 08 July 2018 - 06:31 PM

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No.

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This idea reminds me of the Swedish school system.



Henk_die_oorwinar #24 Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:22 AM

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This is what happens when people constantly play badly MM'ed games. They come up with crazy idees. 

 

Stop making teams that white-wash other teams just because they pay to win. How can you constantly have games that have a less than 50% win chance. All random games should be a 50/50 then it would truly be abput your skill. 

 

Other games modes, where you play with people know to you and where you have comms with them is a different story. If I choose to play team battles I know I will come up against teams better than me and I take my losses on the chin. 

 

But rocking up for a random battle and you see a chance to win under 50%? How is that Random??? That is not random,that is wging putting a group op players in a team that are advantaged above the players in the other team. 

 

So, if it is not random... how do I get onto these teams



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View PostHenk_die_oorwinar, on 10 July 2018 - 04:22 AM, said:

This is what happens when people constantly play badly MM'ed games. They come up with crazy idees. 

 

Stop making teams that white-wash other teams just because they pay to win. How can you constantly have games that have a less than 50% win chance. All random games should be a 50/50 then it would truly be abput your skill. 

 

Other games modes, where you play with people know to you and where you have comms with them is a different story. If I choose to play team battles I know I will come up against teams better than me and I take my losses on the chin. 

 

But rocking up for a random battle and you see a chance to win under 50%? How is that Random??? That is not random,that is wging putting a group op players in a team that are advantaged above the players in the other team. 

 

So, if it is not random... how do I get onto these teams

 

And just how would you ensure all battles would be 50/50? 

Do you want luck removed from the game as well? 

Do you really think that finding some algorithum that could ensure teams equally balanced would prevent whitewash results? 

Would you prevent platoons from entering Random battles? Or would you allow platoons but prevent them using external comms? WG try to balance platoons between the teams at the moment.

 

No, the reason players moan is because they want to find some reason why they lost, rather than admit that it can just happen sometimes.

 



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View PostHenk_die_oorwinar, on 10 July 2018 - 05:22 AM, said:

This is what happens when people constantly play badly MM'ed games. They come up with crazy idees.

 

No, this is what happens when players are bad and demand ways to make it easier for them to win because they don't want to make the effort to improve.

KAOS8989 #27 Posted 10 July 2018 - 08:46 AM

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View PostAlabamatick, on 08 July 2018 - 06:26 PM, said:

According to some posters tin foil hatters, that kind of mm is already in operation :trollface:

 

View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 10 July 2018 - 07:40 AM, said:

 

No, this is what happens when players are bad and demand ways to make it easier for them to win because they don't want to make the effort to improve.

 

stop complaining ... all of you crying if I'm a good player why should I get bad team... well let's see if u are a good player.. if you really are, you will prove that in a balanced team...

MM is already doing sort of balance with tanks types.. most of the time u will get same number of tank types, same tire and at online peak  even the same tank..


 

Edited by NickMustaine, 10 July 2018 - 10:08 AM.


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This sounds like the kind of thing a mother of the fat kid in class would ask for.  "Helmut cannot run so fast, he is a bit bigger than the other boys.  Can we let him run 50m instead of 100m please?".  Git gud or play Minecraft.  Don't like PvP where you can lose or lose by huge margins?  Then guess what you can stop playing...

KAOS8989 #29 Posted 10 July 2018 - 10:05 AM

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View PostKozzy, on 10 July 2018 - 09:49 AM, said:

This sounds like the kind of thing a mother of the fat kid in class would ask for.  "Helmut cannot run so fast, he is a bit bigger than the other boys.  Can we let him run 50m instead of 100m please?".  Git gud or play Minecraft.  Don't like PvP where you can lose or lose by huge margins?  Then guess what you can stop playing...

 

you are afraid that your WR & stats will drop if the teams will get balanced? you should stop playing ... balancing teams is happening in all the the online games..lol, dota..etc and it should be also here... if you are really good you should carry the game anyway.. is strange when your words come back to you...karma

btw your example is about a 1 person "game" and you want to apply it to a team game... :facepalm:


Edited by KAOS8989, 10 July 2018 - 10:07 AM.


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View PostKAOS8989, on 10 July 2018 - 09:05 AM, said:

 

you are afraid that your WR & stats will drop if the teams will get balanced? you should stop playing ... balancing teams is happening in all the the online games..lol, dota..etc and it should be also here... if you are really good you should carry the game anyway.. is strange when your words come back to you...karma

btw your example is about a 1 person "game" and you want to apply it to a team game... :facepalm:

 

We all have the same MM, why do you feel you need special treatment?

KAOS8989 #31 Posted 10 July 2018 - 10:13 AM

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View PostKozzy, on 10 July 2018 - 10:08 AM, said:

 

We all have the same MM, why do you feel you need special treatment?

 

I don't need a special treatment... even if the teams will be balanced we will have the same MM...I think you have some cognitive issues..

WHY? now, the games are very short... tomatos die very fast and lot of games are with big diff in the score.. and the game enjoyment is less.

Only ppl that have issues with a balanced team is some of the ppl that have big stats... if you are really a good player and not a tomato that hunt stats you should be fine with balanced teams also


Edited by KAOS8989, 10 July 2018 - 10:16 AM.


Kozzy #32 Posted 10 July 2018 - 10:32 AM

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View PostKAOS8989, on 10 July 2018 - 09:13 AM, said:

 

I don't need a special treatment... even if the teams will be balanced we will have the same MM...I think you have some cognitive issues..

WHY? now, the games are very short... tomatos die very fast and lot of games are with big diff in the score.. and the game enjoyment is less.

Only ppl that have issues with a balanced team is some of the ppl that have big stats... if you are really a good player and not a tomato that hunt stats you should be fine with balanced teams also

 

No the only people who have a problem with the MM now are delicate snowflakes who are sad because they are bad.  We all play the same game with the same rules with the same MM.  There's no need to change that and, thankfully, WG have said they will never introduce 'skill based MM' into 'random battle mode'.  

 

Just think, me and you both started on 0 battles 0 wins... 



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View PostHenk_die_oorwinar, on 10 July 2018 - 05:22 AM, said:

This is what happens when people constantly play badly MM'ed games. They come up with crazy idees. 

 

Stop making teams that white-wash other teams just because they pay to win. How can you constantly have games that have a less than 50% win chance. All random games should be a 50/50 then it would truly be abput your skill. 

 

Other games modes, where you play with people know to you and where you have comms with them is a different story. If I choose to play team battles I know I will come up against teams better than me and I take my losses on the chin. 

 

But rocking up for a random battle and you see a chance to win under 50%? How is that Random??? That is not random,that is wging putting a group op players in a team that are advantaged above the players in the other team. 

 

So, if it is not random... how do I get onto these teams

 

View PostKAOS8989, on 10 July 2018 - 10:05 AM, said:

 

you are afraid that your WR & stats will drop if the teams will get balanced? you should stop playing ... balancing teams is happening in all the the online games..lol, dota..etc and it should be also here... if you are really good you should carry the game anyway.. is strange when your words come back to you...karma

btw your example is about a 1 person "game" and you want to apply it to a team game... :facepalm:

 

"Fair games" or 50/50 chance as you call it will still tip in one teams favor when they play better than the other team. Or do you guys always want all rounds to end in a draw so there are no winners and losers? 



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View PostKozzy, on 10 July 2018 - 10:32 AM, said:

 

No the only people who have a problem with the MM now are delicate snowflakes who are sad because they are bad.  We all play the same game with the same rules with the same MM.  There's no need to change that and, thankfully, WG have said they will never introduce 'skill based MM' into 'random battle mode'.  

 

Just think, me and you both started on 0 battles 0 wins... 

 

how I said before u are afraid that ur stats will go down .... games are not 1 vs 1 ... in a game 1 vs 1 I would not care and I would not need any "balance"... but since I can't do anything about what team I get... well I would like that both teams have a chance to win... 

Edited by KAOS8989, 10 July 2018 - 11:35 AM.


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View PostKAOS8989, on 10 July 2018 - 10:31 AM, said:

 

how I said before u are afraid that ur stats will go down .... games are not 1 vs 1 ... in a game 1 vs 1 I would not care and I would not need any "balance"... but since I can't do anything about what team I get... well I would like that both teams have a chance to win... 

 

And I said before:

 

We both started on 0 battles with the same MM.



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View PostKozzy, on 10 July 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

 

And I said before:

 

We both started on 0 battles with the same MM.

 

I really doubt we started with same MM... I have only few months since I play this game...I'm guessing u have years...

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View PostKAOS8989, on 10 July 2018 - 10:35 AM, said:

 

I really doubt we started with same MM... I have only few months since I play this game...I'm guessing u have years...

 

Same MM as in: the teams' players were selected at random from an eligible pool.  This is how is was done 7 years ago and is how it is done now.  No individuals are discriminated against.  Thus we all have equality of opportunity. 

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View PostKozzy, on 10 July 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

Same MM as in: the teams' players were selected at random from an eligible pool.  This is how is was done 7 years ago and is how it is done now.  No individuals are discriminated against.  Thus we all have equality of opportunity. 

 

said the guy that has most battles with a tank that has preferential MM

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View PostKAOS8989, on 10 July 2018 - 10:39 AM, said:

 

said the guy that has most battles with a tank that has preferential MM

 

Did I start with that tank?  Or did I start with free T1 tanks like everyone else?

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View PostKAOS8989, on 10 July 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

 

I really doubt we started with same MM... I have only few months since I play this game...I'm guessing u have years...

 

Back then players had to play +5 tier MM.....just saying. You have it much better now. 




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