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Do you want the HE gun removed?

  1. Yes (39 votes [45.88%])

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  2. No (46 votes [54.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.12%

Do you want the addition of easy to pen weaksapots ?

  1. Yes (46 votes [54.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.12%

  2. No (39 votes [45.88%])

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asul101 #1 Posted 10 July 2018 - 01:08 PM

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Ok so  i have a question: How many times were you sidescraping corectly/staying hull down and a Type 4/Type 5 just slammed you for 500-600 dmg without actually aiming for  a weakspot  and you were unable to pen it with regular rounds?

 Too many times, seriously these tanks aren`t fun on both ends . Why you ask ? in the first place the guy who is fighting one can`t pen it with regular rounds so  i sugest the weakening of the "weakspots" so that players actually get rewarded for good marksmanship, and on the Type5/4 drivers case it`s not fun since it`s very slow and it gets penetrated with premium rounds from equal tier vehicles everywhere, so the places that aren`t a weakspot should get buffed.

Now on the gun talk the he mechanic is just not fair since you get punished for playing your tank`s "strengths" i sugest removing the derp gun and making the AP gun a more viable option.



Bigtime_Alarm #2 Posted 10 July 2018 - 01:21 PM

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Balance them all one on top of each other at the edge of a cliff, that should sort it.

 

Or maybe I could grind one because as soon as I got to it WG would give it paper armour and a water pistol.



lampround #3 Posted 10 July 2018 - 01:22 PM

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You leave my derps alone

asul101 #4 Posted 10 July 2018 - 01:28 PM

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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 10 July 2018 - 01:21 PM, said:

Balance them all one on top of each other at the edge of a cliff, that should sort it.

 

Or maybe I could grind one because as soon as I got to it WG would give it paper armour and a water pistol.

 

Ok so as you(hopefully) have read i`ve sugested the addition of weakspots and the increase in armor everywhere else, and also sugested that they buff the ap gun to make it good ,your argument is invalid sir :)
 

View Postlampround, on 10 July 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

You leave my derps alone

 

I understand the fun of derp guns but as they stand doing more dmg  shooting someone who is playing corectly than when aiming for weakspots in the vast majority of tanks(not including TDs) is just ridiculous.


 

leggasiini #5 Posted 10 July 2018 - 01:31 PM

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http://forum.worldof...ssible-and-how/

 

Proposal above is outdated but the concept is still accurate, and should give you a good idea how to fix the line.

 

TL;DR: rework armor layout completely (give them weakspots pennable by AP, and in return buff the rest of the frontal armor to the point its hard to pen with premium, encouraging people to aim at the weakspots), remove/nerf the derps on higher tiers, and buff the AP guns.



wEight_Tanker #6 Posted 10 July 2018 - 01:32 PM

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No. It's your fault for letting it shoot you. If you didn't let it then run away from it, hide, take cover. Stop complaining about HE guns. Just remember that an E-100 has about the same gun but can burst through you with regular AP rounds and deal even more damage. Same goes for the Jagger E-100.

I don't think weakening the armor would do anything except discouraging premium ammo consuming just a bit. Armor is useless anyway nowadays if your current battlefield and match-up do not match with your chosen tank.



asul101 #7 Posted 10 July 2018 - 01:42 PM

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View PostwEight_Tanker, on 10 July 2018 - 01:32 PM, said:

No. It's your fault for letting it shoot you. If you didn't let it then run away from it, hide, take cover. Stop complaining about HE guns. Just remember that an E-100 has about the same gun but can burst through you with regular AP rounds and deal even more damage. Same goes for the Jagger E-100.

I don't think weakening the armor would do anything except discouraging premium ammo consuming just a bit. Armor is useless anyway nowadays if your current battlefield and match-up do not match with your chosen tank.

 

Fair enough but the e100 and the jpe100 have an easy to pen lower plate and don`t have those BS 1400 dmg Premium Nukes ,plus the armor is + and - not a flat nerf or a flat buff (a good player will pen and a bad player will bounce basicly not like it is right now who pays more for ammo pens and who doesn`t can go f himself)

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View PostwEight_Tanker, on 10 July 2018 - 01:32 PM, said:

No. It's your fault for letting it shoot you. If you didn't let it then run away from it, hide, take cover. Stop complaining about HE guns. Just remember that an E-100 has about the same gun but can burst through you with regular AP rounds and deal even more damage. Same goes for the Jagger E-100.

I don't think weakening the armor would do anything except discouraging premium ammo consuming just a bit. Armor is useless anyway nowadays if your current battlefield and match-up do not match with your chosen tank.

 

No.

 

They are just stupid designs, high calibre HE guns are noob cannons, they reward idiots who can't aim and have no knowledge.

 

When you couple that with no weakspot, can't angle armour then you have a stupid tank that just dumbs down the game and is annoying for everyone to fight against. 

 

As for armour being useless, that must be why most high tier battles are about 70& filled with just heavy tanks and armoured TDs, with the rest of the spots being filled with armoured meds like the 430U and high alpha TDs.  Paper stuff at high tiers is dying out because of all the armour and poor maps.

 

Tanks like the Type 5 don't help with this.

 

The derp guns need removing from the Japanese heavies and their armour models need re-working. 



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View Postasul101, on 10 July 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

 

I understand the fun of derp guns but as they stand doing more dmg  shooting someone who is playing corectly than when aiming for weakspots in the vast majority of tanks(not including TDs) is just ridiculous.

 

 

If you're sitting in front of a derp gun then you aren't playing correctly.

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I took on a Type-4 last night with my O-HO and did not get hit once. I just mixed my shots to keep him tracked when trying to get to me round a cliff face.

 

All the big slow heavies/TD's can be mostly out-done by tracking and then flanking, that is their main balance feature.

 

Looking at the top tanks by WR the Types do not feature high on the list, so they cannot be that OP. Perhaps the Chinese WZ's need balancing?


Edited by lampround, 10 July 2018 - 02:36 PM.


Andrasan89 #11 Posted 10 July 2018 - 02:34 PM

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all what they need are WEAKPOINTS (proper ones not P2W ones !!!) AND balanced ammo, not P2W !!

 

so easy...:facepalm:



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That`s exactly the problem :the inability to counter it , every other gun in this game can be countered with smart use of game mechanics but the derp gun which is just stupid. Sure every HE shell  will do some dmg but the amount that the type does is unfair since it usually does more than the AP gun without having to pen.

Edited by asul101, 10 July 2018 - 02:39 PM.


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View Postasul101, on 10 July 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

That`s exactly the problem :the inability to counter it , every other gun in this game can be countered with smart use of game mechanics but the derp gun which is just stupid. Sure every HE shell  will do some dmg but the amount that the type does is unfair since it usually does more than the AP gun without having to pen.

 

I fear the FV4005 more

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View Postasul101, on 10 July 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

That`s exactly the problem :the inability to counter it , every other gun in this game can be countered with smart use of game mechanics but the derp gun which is just stupid. Sure every HE shell  will do some dmg but the amount that the type does is unfair since it usually does more than the AP gun without having to pen.

 

I`m talking about the siting in front of a derp gun being a mistake

Rokim #15 Posted 10 July 2018 - 02:45 PM

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I had type 5 2.5 years ago,autopen box with flat armor with 245pen gun.Enemys were pumping you while you were bouncing on tier 9 meds.I only agre this p2w gold he ammo is a bit too much.

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View Postlampround, on 10 July 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

 

I fear the FV4005 more

 

Sure the fv is dangerous but it`s as big as a house and you can pen it with HE and the Type is broken because of the armor and derp gun combo. The fv loses pen and gains dmg over it`s standard ammo Type 5 only gets better dmg(not like the pen would mean something) in both cases they  are poorly designed , i would actually like it if the premium hesh on fv would be like the prem ammo on the Su100y (better dmg and worse pen as an AP shell).

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View Postlampround, on 10 July 2018 - 02:33 PM, said:

I took on a Type-4 last night with my O-HO and did not get hit once. I just mixed my shots to keep him tracked when trying to get to me round a cliff face.

 

All the big slow heavies/TD's can be mostly out-done by tracking and then flanking, that is their main balance feature.

 

Looking at the top tanks by WR the Types do not feature high on the list, so they cannot be that OP. Perhaps the Chinese WZ's need balancing?

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Type 5 has a better WR than the Wz 111 5A and 113(not by much) and the Type 4 has a worse WR than Wz 111 4(similar disparity) but the thing is that the Type 5 has more games played than 113 and 5A combined  . Here is my source: http://www.vbaddict....t_ratio&server=

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View PostSimeon85, on 10 July 2018 - 02:17 PM, said:

 

No.

 

They are just stupid designs, high calibre HE guns are noob cannons, they reward idiots who can't aim and have no knowledge.

 

When you couple that with no weakspot, can't angle armour then you have a stupid tank that just dumbs down the game and is annoying for everyone to fight against. 

 

As for armour being useless, that must be why most high tier battles are about 70& filled with just heavy tanks and armoured TDs, with the rest of the spots being filled with armoured meds like the 430U and high alpha TDs.  Paper stuff at high tiers is dying out because of all the armour and poor maps.

 

Tanks like the Type 5 don't help with this.

 

The derp guns need removing from the Japanese heavies and their armour models need re-working. 

 

So all FV 4005, FV 183 drivers are noobs then. 

Because you can be blind on this, but HE derp do need some skill to use for maximum efficiency. HE gun will do more dmg if hits weak armor, under any angle. But that matter. You will do more dmg by shooting under tanks, again, same reason. 

You wonna remove Type 5 gun, Type 4 gun, fine. But do same with KV 2, FV 4005 and so on. 

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View Postasul101, on 10 July 2018 - 01:46 PM, said:

 i would actually like it if the premium hesh on fv would be like the prem ammo on the Su100y (better dmg and worse pen as an AP shell).

 

Last time I checked few years ago premium hesh has less pen and do more dmg,actually 1 shoot tanks for the last 4 years.



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View PostRokim, on 10 July 2018 - 03:02 PM, said:

 

Last time I checked few years ago premium hesh has less pen and do more dmg,actually 1 shoot tanks for the last 4 years.

Thing is that if it were AP you would have to pen to do dmg ,  not just shoot hope for a pen and if you don`t pen you still do 800 dmg as i`ve said they are both poorly designed.







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